Gentlemanloser Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I've just realised. With the change to the Ally Matrix, not only can we make use of Cypher, but we can also include his Datasheet of Marines of questionable alligeance. :) Sure, belonging to Faction: Chaos Space Marines mean we can't deploy within 12" of them. But that's the beauty. We don't want to! Cypher's datasheet gives 1-3 units of Chosen the Infiltrate special rule. Want to have 30 Power Armour Marines (they also gain ATSKNF!) infiltrating? 4/5 of them can purchase Special Weapons. And Cypher is a beast himself anyway. Sadly though, taking him this way makes him a Chaose Faction mini, rather than a Grey Knight. So no attaching Cypher to any GK Squads. Still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292946-grey-knights-and-the-fallen-champions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Do you have a compendium of weird and questionable combos and tactics? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292946-grey-knights-and-the-fallen-champions/#findComment-3729005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 :D They come to me in my dreams. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292946-grey-knights-and-the-fallen-champions/#findComment-3729013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 What makes you say Cypher is a Battle Brother for the Forces of the Imperium? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292946-grey-knights-and-the-fallen-champions/#findComment-3729059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 When taken on his own? Cypher can be selected as part of a primary detachment from the following codexes: Codex:Adepta Sororitas, Codex: Blood Angels, Codex: Chaos Space Marines, Codex: Grey Knights, Codex: Imperial Guard, Codex: Inquisition, Codex: Space Marines or Codex: Space Wolves. Cypher does not take up any slots from the detachment’s Force Organisation chart. He may not be included in an army that includes any models from Codex: Dark Angels. But when he's taken in the Datasheet, the whole sheet (Cypher and 1-3 Chosen) are form the Chaos Space Marine faction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292946-grey-knights-and-the-fallen-champions/#findComment-3729083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Do you have a compendium of weird and questionable combos and tactics? He is that compendium. There's an interesting justification for this...the thought that the "Fallen" are actually aware of the crimes committed by the Dark Angels Legion, and that the reason they're trying to get to Terra is to report directly to the Emperor. No wonder the Dark Angels are willing to [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] a Black Templar [REDACTED] without provocation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292946-grey-knights-and-the-fallen-champions/#findComment-3729089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 He is that compendium. /blush There's an interesting justification for this...the thought that the "Fallen" are actually aware of the crimes committed by the Dark Angels Legion, and that the reason they're trying to get to Terra is to report directly to the Emperor. No wonder the Dark Angels are willing to [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] a Black Templar [REDACTED] without provocation. Exactly! :D Plus, they have ATSKNF. Which *no* Traitor Marine has acess to. ;) And the Dangles blew up a GK Cruiser... Oh the naratives to be forged!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292946-grey-knights-and-the-fallen-champions/#findComment-3729096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 When taken on his own? Cypher can be selected as part of a primary detachment from the following codexes: Codex:Adepta Sororitas, Codex: Blood Angels, Codex: Chaos Space Marines, Codex: Grey Knights, Codex: Imperial Guard, Codex: Inquisition, Codex: Space Marines or Codex: Space Wolves. Cypher does not take up any slots from the detachment’s Force Organisation chart. He may not be included in an army that includes any models from Codex: Dark Angels. But when he's taken in the Datasheet, the whole sheet (Cypher and 1-3 Chosen) are form the Chaos Space Marine faction. I'm aware of that. Normally you want a water-tight reason to do something though, especially when it doesn't say battle brothers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292946-grey-knights-and-the-fallen-champions/#findComment-3729097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 He's technically not a Battle Brother. As he's actually part of the Primary detachments Codex, and not an Ally in any shape or form. He's wierd. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292946-grey-knights-and-the-fallen-champions/#findComment-3729101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Do you feel he can embark on your transports, etc? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292946-grey-knights-and-the-fallen-champions/#findComment-3729105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 Totally. He's in essence a selection from your Codex. I'm unsure if a Chaos Marine player, who takes him as a Datasheet, could use Primary detachment Transports though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292946-grey-knights-and-the-fallen-champions/#findComment-3729120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 HERESY! GL keep finding these gems ;) its good to laugh at the terrible design of dataslates Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292946-grey-knights-and-the-fallen-champions/#findComment-3733259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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