Jostal Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Hey there, So has anyone looked at this guy? (The Obsidian Knight from Warzone Democles) He is 400 points, Knight Paladin build. For an extra 25 points, you give a Knight Paladin 6 WS, 6 BS, Outflank, Rage and Preferred Enemy (Tau Empire). Crazy. Anyone using him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 At 400pts, he's an odd peg to fit into a Knight list, yet he is an awesome addition to any imperial list that wants a mini-Titan on a budget. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3729201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Librarian Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 But as he is only in Warzone Damocles, he is Apocalypse only. So in contrast to a normal Knight you cannot use him in regular 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3735816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 In Apocalypse he's left behind a bit, but ultimately you'd probably take him to counter Tau. As Tau don't really scale well into Apocalypse due to a lack of real anti-Titan firepower, he'd do pretty well in that theatre. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3735835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 tau have the only flier with a solid shot D weapon so are usually pretty good there, and back to the knight im pretty sure he is also a senschel or w/e to get the 3++ save Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3736070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 A single-shot D weapon isn't all that nowadays. Especially when mounted fixed-forward on a unit with awkward movement rules. Given the 45 degree angle of fire, it acutally has to be fairly distant to line up that one shot. Yet you can buy a Baneblade for half the dollah and it'll drop D Blasts like there's no tomorrow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3736285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 baneblades dont have a single D weapon on it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3736420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 The Shadowsword mounts a Volcano Cannon, mate. That is a D Large Blast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3736598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 thats not a baneblade... thats a shadow sword, mate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Pedantry aside, it's a Baneblade variant. That's a bit like going, "That's not a Leman Russ, it's a Leman Russ Executioner!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Pedantry aside, it's a Baneblade variant. That's a bit like going, "That's not a Leman Russ, it's a Leman Russ Executioner!" Actually, your example is more pedantic. A Baneblade is a very specific Superheavy Tank, just like a Shadowsword is. A less pedantic example would be a M24 Chaffee and M41 155mm Self-Propelled Howitzer: both are built from the same chassis, but they definitely not the same thing. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Oh! Forgot to mention, the Obsidian Knight is not an "Apocalypse only" unit, its a "40,000 Approved" unit, so yes, you can use one in a normal 40k game in its own Imperial Knight detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 the entire upper superstructure is different on those 2 tanks but anyway im not seeing a 40k stamp. I see the imperium stamp and the super heavy markigns Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venemox Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Page 3 is pretty explicit about the book containing Apocalypse Formations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 yes but hes not a formation just a super heavy for the imperium, so id actually say its a go to use him as a LOW slot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venemox Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 See that little symbol in the upper right corner of the page? looks like a skull and a gear and a T? It's defined way back in the Apocalypse book, on page 68. it's an Apocalypse Formation for a Super Heavy Walker. Now,a force org symbol for a Lord of War is an armored fist, held high. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 So changing the gun makes it an entirely different tank? Anyway, if I am reading my copy of Damocles correctly, it has "Apocalypse" written in very prominent letters on the front cover. This would confirm to me, RAW, that it is for Apocalypse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 So changing the gun makes it an entirely different tank? Anyway, if I am reading my copy of Damocles correctly, it has "Apocalypse" written in very prominent letters on the front cover. This would confirm to me, RAW, that it is for Apocalypse. In some cases, yes. In the baneblade? Not really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 So changing the gun makes it an entirely different tank? Anyway, if I am reading my copy of Damocles correctly, it has "Apocalypse" written in very prominent letters on the front cover. This would confirm to me, RAW, that it is for Apocalypse. In some cases, yes. In the baneblade? Not really. Was just confirming that with the guys above, as it seemed their point was that changing the main weapons changes the entire tank and its naming. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Well the naming will always change based on any variety of upgrades or modifications. However, the gun can drastically change the role of a tank when you mount a cannon meant for fighting mbts to one for taking out Titans or acting as an enormous spg. The Baneblade variants are given different names either from artist standpoint or naming convention. In practical terms you'd call a Baal Predator a Baal and the LR Executioner as an Executioner simply to make it easier for identification purposes and further down simpler monikers . So he's right to a fair point. However, while you're correct, it would be improper and annoying to say you're bringing a baneblade and you bring a Plague Reaper or Shadow Sword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Ah, fair dues. You see, I personally find GW's naming conventions for the variants annoying, since they're an random mishmash of the words Storm, Bane, Hammer, Blade and Lord. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venemox Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 As an aside about the Obsidian Knight, since this is in tactica. There is a single word missing from that datasheet with profound ramifications: Unique. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Ah, fair dues. You see, I personally find GW's naming conventions for the variants annoying, since they're an random mishmash of the words Storm, Bane, Hammer, Blade and Lord. It's good that you didn't read the Raukaan supp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3737981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Ah, fair dues. You see, I personally find GW's naming conventions for the variants annoying, since they're an random mishmash of the words Storm, Bane, Hammer, Blade and Lord. It's good that you didn't read the Raukaan supp. that book is a war crime against my chapter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3739616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I'm honestly mulling the idea of making corrupted Iron Hands and ECs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292953-the-obsidian-knight/#findComment-3739622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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