Emperor's Furor Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Anyone fancy helping me put this together? I was thinking of putting together a list of the alternative names of ranks for each legion. For example is a Word Bearer Centurion, a Captain or something else? Are Huscarls an Imperial Fists rank or like a servant or something, etc etc Perhaps one person could look at one legion in particular or we could all just chime in with ranks we know. Word Bearers Praetor - Chapter Master Centurion - Captain Ultramarines Praetor - Legate, Chapter Master, Captain Centurion - Captain, Lieutenant Dark Angels Praetor - Master? Centurion - Paladin? Night Lords Praetor - Regent Centurion - ? Iron Hands Praetor - Iron Lords, Iron Captains, Iron Fathers Centurion - Warleaders, Shield-Centurions, Spearhead-Centurions Iron Warriors Praetor - Warsmith Centurion - ? Space Wolves Praetor - JarlCenturion - ? White Scars Praetor - Noyen-Khan Centurion - Khan Raven Guard Praetor - Strike-Captain Centurion - ? Emperor's Children Praetor - Lord Commander? Centurion - Captain Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus Praetor - Captain? Centurion - Lieutenant / Chieftain? Blood Angels Praetor - Captain? Centurion - ? Salamanders Praetor - Lord Protectors Centurions - Captains, Lieutenant, Master Sergeant Imperial Fists Praetor - ? Centurion - Seneschal Alpha Legion Praetor - Harrowmaster Centurion - Strike Commander Thousand Sons Praetor - Magista Templi Centurion - ? World Eaters Praetor - Captain / Centurion? Centurion - Centurion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 The word bearers were organized into chapters led by Chapter Masters with companies lead by captains. So I'd say Praetor=Chapter master, Centurion=Captain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3731430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koriel Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 A few that comes to mind: Ultras: Legate Dark Angels: Paladin Night Lords: Regent (chapter master) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3731455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Those of the iron tenth have Iron Lords instead of Praetors, Iron Captains and also Iron Fathers (who seem to be on par with Iron Lords in seniority as well as forming an advisory council for Ferrus). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3731473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koriel Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 A few more: Iron Warriors: Warsmith (chapter master) Space Wolves: Jarl White Scars: Khan (captain) and Noyen-Khan (chapter master?) Raven Guard: Strike-Captain And then several legions made use of the rank of Lord Commander Edit: the rule book also mention the rank of Tribune for preaters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3731490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Iron Hands Centurions are Warleaders, with Shield-Centurions & Spearhead-Centurions also mentioned - so it seems that they use prefixes attached to the standard 'Centurion' to indicate specialty ('shield' is for Breacher Centuries & 'spearhead' is for Armoured Centuries) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3731491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 For the Dark angels, I thought that Paladin was the rank of Legion Champion within an Order, For instance, Corswain was Paladin of the 9th order, bearer of the mantle of champion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3731497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Praetor and Centurion would cross multiple levels of legion heirachy each. But as usable guidelines.... the Battalion Command (or equivalent) level is where the dividing line is. Company level leadership and below (so Company Grade officers in terms of Western Militaries) while Praetors are easily the Chapter Masters and Legion Commanders (Pre-Primarch days). As for Ultramarine hierachy... Praetor Titles would include: Tetrarch, Legate (Roman rank for General), Chapter Master, and potentially Captain (Remus of the 4th Company commanded 1000 legionaries and had captains underneath him, he would go on to be the hero of Calth) Centurion Titles would be: Captain (lesser variety perhaps), Centurion (assumed), and Lt. (Assumed as well, but could also be the Senior Veteran SGT of a unit) my 2 cents Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3731542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ion Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus only had Captains as far as I know above the Sergeant level. An informal and unrecorded Hierarchy existed wherein one captain was higher ranked than another, but it's a very fluid concept. At least that's how I understand it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3731578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orblivion Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus only had Captains as far as I know above the Sergeant level. An informal and unrecorded Hierarchy existed wherein one captain was higher ranked than another, but it's a very fluid concept. At least that's how I understand it. It was the same for the Blood Angels. There were Sergeants and Captains, and both legions followed the standard of the Captain of the 1st Company being the highest ranking Captain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3731641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 The Blood Angels Chapter Master (name Radolon I believe) was the defacto legion master for the Blood Angels after the Primarch Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3732067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orblivion Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 The Blood Angels Chapter Master (name Radolon I believe) was the defacto legion master for the Blood Angels after the Primarch True, but Raldoron was the 1st Company Captain before and during his time as Chapter Master. His role as Chapter Master was, at the time, more as an advisor to Sanguinius similar to Horus' Mournival council. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3732131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor'Vesh Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 The most senior Salamanders praetors are Lord Protectors according to Massacre. Beneath that they have captains, leiutenants and master sergeants. That seems to be it for the Sallies though - a nice simple legion! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3732214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 The most senior Salamanders praetors are Lord Protectors according to Massacre. Beneath that they have captains, leiutenants and master sergeants. That seems to be it for the Sallies though - a nice simple legion! However alongside this you had the Firedrakes who were in/of themselves a semi-autonomous entity, whereby they were bodyguards and a solo fighting force but also only answered to Vulkan or their respective Lord Commander. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3732459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schultzhoffen Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 How ironic...it seems as if hardly any Legion uses the actually Legion ranks... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3732926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 How ironic...it seems as if hardly any Legion uses the actually Legion ranks... Well as I understand it, the title of Praetor and Centurion were used by all of the legions back when they were first founded, since they were all founded on Terra together. However, once each legion found their Primarch, their structures were altered by the whims of their father and his homeworlds culture and so the original titles changed to fit the new adopted culture. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3732935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 The Imperial Fists had seneschals as captains, the Legion champions of the Dark Angels were Paladins, Alpha Legion Praetors were sometimes known as Harrowmasters and the Thousand Sons had the Magista Templi but they were based more on the psychic disciplines rather than the military Fellowships. Quite a few Legions didn't even make a distinction in terms of titles, like the Blood Angels, Night Lords or Sons of Horus, it was just generally accepted that some captains carried seniority over the rest. Also on the subject of the Ultramarines, the Tetrarchs were a step above the Chapter Masters so would that make them Praetor+ ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3733088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 The Emperor's Children had loads. The images for Betrayal all have their own ranks (some might be different names for Sergeants and up). They also have First Captain, which is not Captain of the First Company but possible a leader of a Millennial not led by a Lord Commander (of which there were ten I think). Saul Tarviz was a First Captain on Isstvan III Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3733175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I always imagined "First Captain" to be within the Millennial since the Lord Commanders sit above them anyway in much the same way that a Chapter Master would sit above the First Captain of a Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3733182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 I thought it was a honourary rank, or was that Garro's position. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3733196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus Praetor - Captain Centurion - Lieutenant / chieftan? Thats what it says in HH: Betrayal. You also seem to have forgotten the World Eaters, so here you go. World Eaters Praetor - Captain / Centurion? Centurion - Centurion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3733199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 I've not forgot them, I'm just putting them down as someone offers the alternative ranks for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3733221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I've not forgot them, I'm just putting them down as someone offers the alternative ranks for them. Oh, my bad then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3733226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I always imagined "First Captain" to be within the Millennial since the Lord Commanders sit above them anyway in much the same way that a Chapter Master would sit above the First Captain of a Chapter. The Lord Commanders command the 10 largest Millennials, don't they? Who commands the others, and do the Lord Commanders sit above them? Although I think Tarviz was under Eidolon so perhaps he was in his Millennial. I think Betrayal has First Captain as an equivalent of Praetor but not sure if I'm making that up. NB: It can be quite difficult at times as in the early days it seems there was only one Lord Commander and that's clearly changed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3733307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Ultramarines - I think a Tetrarch outranks a Chapter Master though in game you would have to use Praetor stats - in Unremembered Empire a conversation between one of the Tetrarchs and First Chapter Master Auguston seems to show this.Dark Angels - I think Paladin is the company/chapter champion. The equivalent of Praetor would be Captain or Master.Imperial Fists don't have a praetor equivalent rank. Extermination explains that beneath the Primarch the next highest rank was Captain (although as First Captain Sigismund was slightly ahead of his peers). They had various honorifics such as Castellan and Seneschal to reflect particular duties or assignments but the comman structure was pretty flat. Instead of maintaining an inner circle of favoured advisors Dorn consulted whichever captains were present. Luna Wolves - I'm pretty sure they only had companies too. Horus liked the fluidity of mixing and matching companies as he saw fit rather than having the rigidly grouped into chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293051-list-of-rank-names-for-each-legion/#findComment-3733560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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