Noxnoctis22 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I'm starting my DW army and of course it's being lead by Belial but I don't have the model for him yet. The standard model that GW offers bores me and I'd rather kitbash my own. I'm starting a "checklist" of the parts I'd need for him and I was hoping people had suggestions of what bits might work best for each. I'm going to set him up with magnets too so I can have the SoS/SB, TH/SS and LC/LC loadouts. BELIAL CHECKLIST Base Legs Torso Head 2x Arms 2x Shoulders 2x LC Thunder Hammer Strom Sheild Sword of Silence Strom Bolter Extra Bits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbenner Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/149901-belial-conversions-showcase/?view=findpost&p=3243827&hl=%2Bbelial+%2Bconversion The Search tool works wonders, and a lot of those posted show bits lists or are pretty obvious. Steal what you like. My own conversion with Hammer and Shield started as a Librarianin TDA. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noxnoctis22 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 Thanks Paul. I'm interested in the odd or unique bits people use for their kitbash units. Just because it's a DA or SM doesn't mean the bits have to come directly from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepyrous Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I think the most important part you have to think about is how do you like him to look like... What body do you prefere from those models GW, Forgeworld or 3ed party producers offer? Does he has to have a hood and/or a robe? If so, do you want them to be already on the parts you can buy or are you able to make them on your own? The link Pbenner has posted is very useful for inspiration but after all the only limits are your imagination, your modelling skills (or connections to sb. who has 'em) and your wallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 It will be hard, IMO, to get a dynamic stance for Belial to realistically use all three weapon load outs. One of the three weapon kits is almost always going to look a bit off. I agree with Zepyrous, give us some idea of what you actually want your Belial to look like, it would be easier to make bits suggestions that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noxnoctis22 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 I plan to pair Belial with my DW Knights so I'd like for him to blend well with them. I was thinking of starting with the DW Knight Master model as a place to start. Some Forge World Terminator bodies but I'd only need one, not five. I head the Terminator Heads from the Grey Knight models. I'd prefer a helmet over a face. Use the bottom part of Command Flail of the Unforgiven as the base for the Thunder Hammer, use the top section of the Halberd of Caliban and some other hammer-like bit to complete the Thunder Hammer. Really want it to look menacing. Pair that with a DW Command Storm Shield, maybe add to it to make it unique to Belial. For the pair of Lightning Claws the SM Terminator Assault Sgt ones look good enough but not 100% sold on them. The ones on Forge World's Tyberos The Red Wake are interesting too. For the SoS/SB combo the Veterans Terminator Sgt Weapons bits look well but I'd like to improve the sword a bit, needs more to it. Obviously any added DA bits or "flair" would be added where reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlauG Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 It will be hard, IMO, to get a dynamic stance for Belial to realistically use all three weapon load outs. One of the three weapon kits is almost always going to look a bit off. It's hard but not impossible. I don't have access to any pictures of mine currently as I'm at the office, but with a customised set of lightning claws and the right pose for the main body, it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenONE Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Im using the legion praetor in terminator armor as Belial while using a cape from DWCS box. As well as various other odds and ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noxnoctis22 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Those Legion Praetor models from FW are badass. If I could find just 1 model I'd love to use in for Belial, no real need for 5 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Those Legion Praetor models from FW are badass. If I could find just 1 model I'd love to use in for Belial, no real need for 5 of them. I don't know which models you're looking at but the Legion Praetors are a pack of two. Sure, the power armoured model is no use for a Belial conversion but I'm happy just to have it in my bitz box for fture use. As for lightning claws, the best ones I've seen come from the Chaos warlord plastic kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noxnoctis22 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 I was looking at the CATAPHRACTII PATTERN TERMINATORS but the ones you linked are sick. Something to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 If you can afford the extra expense I recommend that you buy the cataphractii to convert to Deathwing Knights, then get the praetor set to make Belial a matching suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noxnoctis22 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 If you can afford the extra expense I recommend that you buy the cataphractii to convert to Deathwing Knights, then get the praetor set to make Belial a matching suit. Extra expense he says...HA! It always seems like I'm spending more than I should with 40k but I do it anyway. I've already started with my DW Knights for the standard box set. Maybe I could use that idea in the future if I do a DW Command Squad. I'm leaving Belial for last so I can go back and forth a thousand times on what I wanna do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenONE Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Cataphractii work well for a command squad!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanSturrock Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 I actually have 3 different models I use to represent Belial, given that he doesn't really need to have anything other than a more ornate, optionally robed, version of standard DW terminator equipment. So whichever ones aren't being used as Belial can just be command squad termies or sergeants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noxnoctis22 Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 I'm a bit stuck on a good option for the SoS, any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 For my "Belial" stand in, I used the sword that comes in the DWT/K/CS box. I also have used Grey Knight legs, DWK torso, one GK arm, the fancy DWT storm bolter in the new box, DWK pauldrons, the DWK "command wings" and a Grey Knight Paladin helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Can we take a vote of what Belial's preferred loadout is in 7th? - Hammer / Shield - Stormbolter / SoS I only played him a handful of times in 6th. In 7th I haven't played him nearly enough. I just get this gut feeling (from other armies I play) he will be stuck in for a long time against 2+ enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbenner Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Anyone putting up a "Vote for Favorite Loadout" will probably just see a bunch of votes for Lightning Claws from smartasses like me. Load-Out is rather situational, but in my mind, taking him with a TH//SS is just asking to be jibbed. My favorite way to run and gun Belial is to have him with his Sword and Stormbolter, and use the DW Champion to take challengers with 2+ armor saves. 2c. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noxnoctis22 Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 This is what I think I'm gonig with for my Belial Checklist. Granted I could pick some options but trying to not break the bank on one figure. Base, Legs, Torso, Storm Shield - DA Deathwing Knight Single Figure Head - Grey Knight Terminator Head Extra Arms - DA Deathwing Command Arms Extra Shoulders - Assorted DA Terminator Shoulders 2x LC - SM Terminator Assault Sgt Lightning Claws Thunder Hammer - Command Flail of the Unforgiven + Halberd of Caliban + 2 SM Thunder Hammer bits Sword of Silence - Grey Knights Terminator Nemesis Force Sword Strom Bolter - Grey Knights Terminator Storm Bolter Arm Extra Bits - DA Ravenwing Dreadnought Bits (for beefier shouder pads) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenONE Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Yeah I never quite understood why (other than for completeness) Belial has a LC entry. You get a +1A but lose Master Crafted, and lose Fleshbane for Shred, while also losing the Precision Strikes/Storm Bolter, which while I've found to be pretty underwhelming, still has more of a chance of shooting an enemy than LCs do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noxnoctis22 Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 I'm most liking got to set him up with the DA Ravenwing Dreadnought Bits + Terminator Shoulders in the SoS/SB setup first, as that's his default. Then the TH/SS as we all know what the benifits from that are. The LC setup I'm doing just b/c it's an option not b/c I favor it when playing Belial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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