Nova_chron Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 So I canny decide what legion to play yet but have ordered 10 MKIII legionaries, what should I look to collecting without pushing myself into a specific legion yet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
qyntius Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Pretty much all armies have 2x20 tactical troops with 2 apothecaries. Also mortis contemptors are universally good. The problem with not knowing your legion might be adding legion specific shoulderpads and colours later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Going to leave the legion shoulders off until I know what I want Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordo Machinum Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Going to leave the legion shoulders off until I know what I want Unless you pick Alpha Legion... then you can use any pad you want... shhh... OT, my thought would be to build minimum size squads, then when you pick a Legion, you can incorporate them into new full size squads. A full 20-legionnaire undecided squad now becomes two 10-legionnaire supplements to two ten-legionnaire decided legion models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Just start off with generic tactical squads, every Legion tends to use them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Don't get hung up on the niche that each of the Legions became known for in 40k as much smaller Chapters. Every Legion Astartes had access to all of the same weaponry and used whatever means was required to accomplish their objectives. Some excelled in specific areas a little better than their brothers, but the Alpha Legion could have a full mechanized army of tanks and super heavies, the Iron Warriors could do rapid insertion surgical strikes, etc. Don't pigeonhole your thoughts or your army into a different setting. Â The Great Crusade was a wholly different time where the tactics of the Legions were more fluid and adaptable than what they would ultimately be reduced do in the future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaCroix Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 better yet pick a legion based on what colors you like to paint Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Warder Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 better yet pick a legion based on what colors you like to paint This right here. 2 full squads + a HQ = 41 bodies and thats a lot of painting for the just the compulsory choices! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 rather than trying to pick a legion, start eliminating the legions you definitely DONT want to do based on:   - colour: if you arent a fan of the colour, it will kill you to paint an entire legion army of that colour!!  - fluff: so much of the game is (currently) geared and supported with fluff and narrative, if you dont like the history and evolution of the Word Bearers, dont do them  - Specials: if NONE of the Traits, Special Units, Special Character and abilities appeal to you, you may as well go a generic legion or hold off for one of the unreleased legions  That will hopefully narrow the choices down to a manageable number and at that stage one or two legions might jump out at you. If not then paint a few models from the Legions you are stuck on to help make a decision, these models can then be used in a Strike Force so wont go to waste. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 - Colour: Choose a scheme you like and wont be annoyed/bored of painting anytime soon.  - Fluff: Which legion story do you like? Loyalist or traitors?  - Personality: Based on the personality of your own legion and considering your own. (Though this can be tough for some people, like myself.)  Anyways, I tend to follow these things whenever I want to make a new marine army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maerlen Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Maybe look at the Primarch too?? I for one know that Roboute will be my preferred choice. Â Since it's such an important character (if not THE character) of your Legion, this should not be overlooked. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Do you like being a goodie goodie loyalist? Or a treachourus legion? I like that emperors children can be both, and the books finished off my decision for them too Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ion Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Don't forget that just because a Legion went traitor doesn't mean all the members did, and it's certainly feasible to assume not all loyalists in traitor legions were on Isstvaan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 My usual 2 pence on this subject, read. Go through the HH material out there and devour everything about the Legions. Scrub everything from 40k, go based on what they are in 30k. Follow ideas that jump out at you, either that you want to follow through or ones that turn you off. Eventually it'll boil down to the colour you want to paint, the fluff and the models that are available for that Legion. Â Good luck brother. And welcome to the ship... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3734941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thanks guys allot of good advise hardest part for me is wondering if I am going to want to play one of the unreleased legions Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3735037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 rather than trying to pick a legion, start eliminating the legions you definitely DONT want to do based on:   - colour: if you arent a fan of the colour, it will kill you to paint an entire legion army of that colour!!  - fluff: so much of the game is (currently) geared and supported with fluff and narrative, if you dont like the history and evolution of the Word Bearers, dont do them  - Specials: if NONE of the Traits, Special Units, Special Character and abilities appeal to you, you may as well go a generic legion or hold off for one of the unreleased legions  That will hopefully narrow the choices down to a manageable number and at that stage one or two legions might jump out at you. If not then paint a few models from the Legions you are stuck on to help make a decision, these models can then be used in a Strike Force so wont go to waste.  I tried that approach. It narrowed my choices down from 18 to 14.  My usual 2 pence on this subject, read. Go through the HH material out there and devour everything about the Legions. Scrub everything from 40k, go based on what they are in 30k. Follow ideas that jump out at you, either that you want to follow through or ones that turn you off. Eventually it'll boil down to the colour you want to paint, the fluff and the models that are available for that Legion.  Good luck brother. And welcome to the ship...  I tried this, still had 14 to choose from!  I think it's a credit to the creators that it's so hard to pick a faction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3735067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Game-wise:   Check out each Legion's ROW and Primarch abilities from public sources or from: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/THE_HORUS_HERESY_LEGIONES_ASTARTES:_ISSTVAN_CAMPAIGN_LEGIONS.html    Fluff-wise:  Read up about each Legion's pre-heresy background from public sources or from Horus Heresy novels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3735077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 The easiest way to decide of a legion and what to buy is simple. I've gotten almost 5-6 people going with 30k by using the following steps: Â 1) find a Right of War that you either would like to play or fits your play style. If you pick a generic RoW then you still need a legion (go to step two), if you picked a legion Right of War ( skip step two). Â 2) read the fluff of the legions and find the one that best fits your play style or the style of the RoW. Â 3) buy the units needed for the RoW. This will most likely be a big chunk of your points. Fill out with units that provide support for the core units. This should get you to 2000-2500 points. Â 4) once you play the RoW a whole you can start filling out with units you want to try out. Â Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3735221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I couldn't choose (DAs are a way off anyway) so I went with the core list, painting ranged units as The 1st Legion, CQC units as Vlka Fenryka and will be adding fast units as White Scars. That gives me three unique Legions schemes to paint should I tire of one or the other. Â Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3735279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Or if you want to be daring, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from making your own unique Legion. The II and XI were left blank for a reason! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3735308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 I have to admit your work on the second legion is amazing I sadly do not have the time to devote to creating a legion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3735412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Since you're asking about what to collect while making your decision, I'd say to go with whatever you fancy, model wise or rule wise. As already said, everyone had everything, pretty much. Then as you build up certain legions might fit better or you like the colour, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3735432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014  rather than trying to pick a legion, start eliminating the legions you definitely DONT want to do based on:   - colour: if you arent a fan of the colour, it will kill you to paint an entire legion army of that colour!!  - fluff: so much of the game is (currently) geared and supported with fluff and narrative, if you dont like the history and evolution of the Word Bearers, dont do them  - Specials: if NONE of the Traits, Special Units, Special Character and abilities appeal to you, you may as well go a generic legion or hold off for one of the unreleased legions  That will hopefully narrow the choices down to a manageable number and at that stage one or two legions might jump out at you. If not then paint a few models from the Legions you are stuck on to help make a decision, these models can then be used in a Strike Force so wont go to waste.   I tried that approach. It narrowed my choices down from 18 to 14.  My usual 2 pence on this subject, read. Go through the HH material out there and devour everything about the Legions. Scrub everything from 40k, go based on what they are in 30k. Follow ideas that jump out at you, either that you want to follow through or ones that turn you off. Eventually it'll boil down to the colour you want to paint, the fluff and the models that are available for that Legion.  Good luck brother. And welcome to the ship...   I tried this, still had 14 to choose from! I think it's a credit to the creators that it's so hard to pick a faction. THIS is the reason I haven't painted a single damn HH mini yet. Welcome to hell Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3735451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonkin Arenis Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I am shamelessly parroting heathens when I say that you can do whatever you want with any Legion you want, so long as you can justify the backstory. Â Terran Raven Guard who eschew the tactics of their Primarch and instead focus on heavy artillery or foot-slogging infantry, and prefer to be loud and brash rather than stealthy. Word Bearers that detest the Emperor, but abhor the lengths Lorgar is willing to go to in order to bring him down and go their own way. Iron Hands remnants from Isstvan V who don't know who to trust and lash out at anybody they encounter, filled with grief and rage at the death of their Primarch, and utterly rogue in a galaxy that they think has betrayed them. Â Go with the Legion that you like, and a concept that you think is cool and (ultimately) what colours that you like to paint, as others have said. Those will ultimately decide what force you will end up with. But for now, go with the basic 2 Troop, 1 HQ that others have suggested until you decide what you want to go with. Â Â [EDIT] To expand on this, and to show more examples on the topic, the main focus of my Heresy-era musings is a group of loyalist Emperor's Children who are horrified by what happened on Isstvan III and ran away, but find that the majority of the forces they encounter think they are traitors, and most are the "shoot first, ask questions later" type. These EC's are later wiped out by a combined Imperial Fists and Blood Angels force, both of whom are based on current regiments or organisations within the modern-day military. If you're interested, look up the "187th Rakkasans" and the "Royal Marine Corps", who are represented by the Blood Angels and Imperial Fists, respectively. Â Basing your force on an existing part of any country's military is a pretty sound tactic, especially if it works with the Legion you have in mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3735483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 Okay so I have a question about the different types of bolters available from Forge World, what variants were produced where, and who is most likely to use them. When I look at the 30 man tactical marine packs MKII AND MKIII are using Phobos and MKIV use Tigris pattern. Also what do people think of using bayonets on bolters to represent close combat weapons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293227-any-ideas-for-a-starting-point-when-unsure-of-what-legion/#findComment-3736347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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