sirk Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 This topic draws from both the C: Inquisition update and from the Draigowing one, but from a cumulative perspective. I think the new Draigowing could use with great profit Ordo Malleus Inquisitors instead of normal pallies. Since we know received confirmation that any number of Inquisitorial Detachments can be added to a Battle Forged army, the following list become availlable. Draigo Mordrak 10 Ordo Malleus with mastery level 1 and psycannon 3 Solodins This is for a 1750 list. You can add or subtract an Inquisitor for every 100 pts or so. I know, it is an EXTREMELY low model number list, but, almost all the times, the deathstar will be invisible since the very first turn (deep stike, cast invisibiliy, fire with 10 psycannons or so..). You can also split it in any number of single deep-striking units and, since there are no Ghosts, the whole unit scores as a troop thanks to Grand Strategy on Mordrak (which is the unit to whom all IC are joined to). The solodins are there for you will need a model on the battlefield at turn 1 and for suicidal scoring missions. They have Objective Secured too For Invisibiliy, you roll 12 times, making it very likely, and you have 15 warp charges, which places you in the high range of psychic armies. Depending on the mission and on the opponent, you can roll psychic looking for what you need, be it the 12" move gate-like power or the +1 invulnerable or any other need you might have. The only weakness compared to a standard Draigowing is the T3, but I think it is heavily compensated from the 1st turn perfect deep strike provdied by Mordrak and the amazing firepower. Oh, and the ability to split in any configuration of models even in mid-play! And again, if you go for the spartan army where the few face the manys: where other you could find a list that deploys 15 models at 1750 Any comment? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar1 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 To be honest, against competetive armies like xenos players (looking at you, eldar), this list will get hosed. With the amount of AP2 firepower out in the world today, these guys are going to be incredibly vulnerable, doubly so with the small model count. Also horde armies like gaunts will just swamp them. But kudos for originality. Might be fun to represent an inquisitorial conclave or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3736788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 One Riptide with Interceptor ruins your army Turn 1 Thanks for playing :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3736796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirk Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 One Riptide with Interceptor ruins your army Turn 1 Thanks for playing Only if I forget about it. Else, I would place Draigo as the closest model and all the wounds would be rolled on him. Sure, it would hurt, but math-wise, he would survive and then Invisibility would prevent further blasts (even because the Riptide won't probably survive 10 psycannons, twin-linked most of the times!!). About AP2, that's true. It is all about Invisibility again. And the Look Out Sir that will almost allow the wound distribution of 5th edition. Of course it is not meant to be a tier1, but I think it would not be so easy to dispact the unit. More times, though, the real problems would be mobility and scoring effectiveness. That for sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3736809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selleck Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Ordo Malleus Inquisitors are only T3... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3736961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 With the restriction on ICs joining single mini units gone in 7th, Mordrak doesn't need to take any Ghost Knights just to have others join him now. Win! I'd drop the Psyker upgrade down somewhat, to keep points down. I'd also think about losing some of those Psycannons. Maybe. You only need two solodins as well. It's 75 Points for a Paladin with Psycannon. And only 80 for an OM Inq with one. For 1750; HQ: Draigo (275) HQ: Mordrak (200) Troop: Paladin (55) x2 HQ: Inquisitor, TDA, Psycannon (80) x4 HQ: Inquisitor, TDA, (65) x13 Total: 1,750 This maximises the number of Inquisitors you can bring at 17. the next cutoff would be 8 x Psycannons, 8 without for 16 total. Dropping to 15 total gets you 12 Psycannons and 3 without. Dropping to 14 total gives you 14 Psycannons (with 45 points spare). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3737006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirk Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 Uhm.. this way there would be several more models, but I don't think the list can work without invisibility. With majority of T3, blasts and even S6 templates would be a pain, as would heavy firepower lists (tau, eldar, even necron). Invisibility really makes the difference imo. One option is to give up one solodin to add a ghost with banner (there are 10 unspent points) and also gain Stealth with it. It depends whether Grand Strategy gives or not Secured Objective (since with the ghost you can't choose Mordrak anymore). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3737054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 This would be amusing to try... But would fail miserably lol, deepstrike right next to the enemy, shoot what you can (which would only be at 1 unit) then prepare to get rapid fire spam shot and temptlated and then assaulted lol, with majority toughness 3 as well, most of the inquisitors will insta die Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3738037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 And even alone, I do not believe Mordrak could be targeted by TGS. It may not be IMPLICITLY restricted, but I believe it's fairlynot farfetched to take that as the case Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3741154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 And even alone, I do not believe Mordrak could be targeted by TGS. It may not be IMPLICITLY restricted, but I believe it's fairlynot farfetched to take that as the case No you can do it, its just really dumb. 'TGS' is far better used on anything else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3741739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 And even alone, I do not believe Mordrak could be targeted by TGS. It may not be IMPLICITLY restricted, but I believe it's fairlynot farfetched to take that as the case No you can do it, its just really dumb. 'TGS' is far better used on anything else. Pretty sure you can't, because "Grand Master Mordrak" is the same unit as "Grand Master Mordrak's unit of Ghost Knights" (same unit entry in the codex). Also, Mordrak is never "alone", he always has the potential the spawn a Ghost Knight. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3742868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Unless you give Mordrak Stealth when he's on his own, he is no where near the same as a unit of Ghost Knights. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3742958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Unless you give Mordrak Stealth when he's on his own, he is no where near the same as a unit of Ghost Knights. ;) Oh? Try taking a unit of Ghost Knights without him. Let me know how that works out. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGXH Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Incidentally, where does it say that Inquisitors get Telepathy? I can't find that anywhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 For the GK codex, check the FAQ that was released last month. For C:I, it was in an update that was released about a week ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Oh? Try taking a unit of Ghost Knights without him. Let me know how that works out. ?? You can't take Ghost Knights without first taking Mordrak. But he's distinctly different to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGXH Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 For the GK codex, check the FAQ that was released last month. For C:I, it was in an update that was released about a week ago. My codex: I hasn't updated, that'd be why. Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Oh? Try taking a unit of Ghost Knights without him. Let me know how that works out. ?? You can't take Ghost Knights without first taking Mordrak. But he's distinctly different to them. You are correct, Ghost Knight are distinctly different from Mordrak, and for the matter, they are distinctly different for just about any other unit in the game. Ghost Knights are closest in comparison to Fenisian Wolves as both are effectively Wargear bought for a character. Ghost Knights are a Squad upgrade purchased for Mordrak via points before the game, and via wounds after the game has started. At no point during the game is Mordrak without the potential to have at least one Ghost Knight as a member of his unit. Since Mordrak never changes, and his unit of Ghost Knights is his unit regardless of whether or not Ghost Knights are present, then "Grand Master Mordrak" and "Grand Master Mordrak's unit of Ghost Knights" are the exact same unit. If it helps: )Mordrak + 0 Ghosts) is the same unit as (Mordrak + 1-5 Ghosts) because (Mordrak) always equals (Mordrak + 0-8 Ghosts). As such, Mordrak has never been a legal target of TGS. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 It's not the same unit. Because Mordrak on his own doesn't have Stealth. Also, back in 5th and 6th, he was a single mini unit, and couldn't be joined by ICs because of it. While 7th has removed that restriction form ICs, it doesn't change Mordrak at all. Mordrak is Mordrak. His Ghost Knights (which can only join him), are a separate unit. With their own Army List Entry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 If you take even a single ghost Knight, mordrak is treated as the upgrade character according to his rules, not the ghost knights. Probably doesn't make a difference game wise. But thought I'd put it put there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Yup, that's totally correct. If you purchase even a single Ghost Knight, Mordrak is a character in a Unit of Ghost Knights. On his own, he's not part of a unit of Ghost Knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Ghost Knights do not have their own unit entry in the GK codex, their entry is found under Grand Master Mordrak on pg. 82, while all their rules are found under Grand Master Mordrak on pg. 40. Also, do to the Ghostly Bodyguard rule, Mordrak is never a single model unit. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 ?? Page 82. One box for Grand Master Mordrak One box for Ghost Knights Two separate Unit entries... The Ghosts are even shaded to separate the entries! Come on... Edit: If Mordrak is the same unit, you can purchase him a Banner... (Which you can't) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I agree with GL. If mordrak and his unit were the same then they wouldnt need different lists of rules and wargear. It would be an upgrade like a SM command squad upgrading one veteran to a company champion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Except Mordrak and his Ghost knights aren't like every other unit. In most cases, you buy the the unit and upgrade a member to a character, with further options to buy more members for the unit. With Mordrak, you buy the character and have an option to buy more members for the unit. Mordrak himself is not a Ghost Knight, but Ghost Knights cannot exist without Mordrak. Ghost Knights are an upgrade to Mordrak, purchased in the same manner as Justicar Thawn is an upgrade for Grey Knight Terminators (they even share the same army list format). Can you buy Thawn on his own? No, you have to buy a unit of GKT first, then upgrade the Justicar to Thawn. Can you buy Ghost Knights on their own? No, have to buy Mordrak first, then upgrade Mordrak by purchasing Ghost Knights? Can Mordrak have a Banner? Yes, buy purchasing a Ghost Knight with a Banner upgrade. Does Mordrak have Stealth? Yes, but only when a Ghost Knight is present. Ghost Knights are a unit upgrade to the unit named Grand Master Mordrak. While upgraded, Mordrak is the upgrade character in his unit. If no Ghosts are present, Mordrak continues to be a character in his own right. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293344-draigowing20-mordrak-inquisitors-bomb/#findComment-3743700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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