Valerian Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 It would be a great starting off point for a Space Wolves player and even a great supplemental force for an existing to add some new models. I would easily buy this IF I knew what was in store for Space Wolves in terms of what if anything they will be getting in the new codex. It makes no sense for me to pick this up, build them out, and then have a force that does not even comply with the new SW rules or makes the best use out of any new gear they get. Unless it is a one-off thing, I can wait until the new codex comes out. But chances are, you won't be waiting very long to get the new codex and find out what they've done to the units, so you'll be able to buy this set and not worry about building the models wrong. looks like he is 1xx points, has a special frost weapon, the termies have two profiles (so maybe a sergeant? At the least that suggests that the unit diverges from the codex on at least one count), there's a formation, and... Can't make out much more. The rules for frost weapons are in there but i cannot quite see. Looks like its just frost WEAPON with a single profile though? Can you link to this pic? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 i mentioned before how it might be weird if Logan makes termies troops, yet krom doesn't, given that it is his shtick too. However, if this formation includes the models in the starter set, it could potentially allow a krom wing (hah !) of a sort - combined arms detachment plus the formation makes up to four units of wolf guard without doubling up on CA detachments. Depending on how good the formation is (what transport options are there? Does it need to be units of 5 gh/bc??) it might be ok. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 "Krom's axe is Wyrmclaw, a Relic of the Fang. It is said that the blade has a razor-sharp edge, that can never be dulled." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 For 75 quid it doesn't look to bad at all compared to buying the stuff separately. There are at least £50 of wolves without counting Krom. so considering you get about an equivalent amount of Orks, couple of characters and a rule book it isn't a bad deal. Which leads me to conclude this must be a hoax. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 The starter boxes tend to be pretty good deals though. Especially when youn consider the small rulebooks alone sell for £30 if/when GW does separate ones. Although I doubt we'll ever see the glory of Black Reach again, that nwas £40 at release iirc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I hope this means frost axes will be a relevant choice in the coming update... is that too optimistic? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 http://latabernadelaurana.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/rumores-se-desvelan-mas-imagenes-de-la.html As I said... really hard to make much out... and it's a thumbnail so even with magazine in hand it might not be readable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookieman Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Bigger pics on Warseer, I don't know how to link or copy the pics here otherwise I would have put it here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Ah, whoops it says frost BLADE not weapon. But looks like one profile. I wonder if those stats cover axes or if frost 'axe' will be separated out from frost 'blade'? Currently a frost axe is a kind of frost blade. I think those pics are the same size (click to enlarge) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Ah, whoops it says frost BLADE not weapon. But looks like one profile. I wonder if those stats cover axes or if frost 'axe' will be separated out from frost 'blade'? Currently a frost axe is a kind of frost blade. I think those pics are the same size (click to enlarge) Too hard to read any specifics, but it at least seems to indicate that there will be both 'normal' Frost Weapons, as well as, unique Relic Frost Weapons, which is what many expected. Fun times. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookieman Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/byadQ8Z.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I think that special rule for Krom in bold might read 'saga of the'... One of the other leaked pages does say 'to find out more about Krom's saga' or something like that. Hard to say they're referring to rules rather than fluff but hey. Maybe he has a special saga. And it looks like the formation contains exactly the models included. How good this formation might be will depend largely on the options it has - dedicated transports? Can pack sizes be expanded? Obviously the special rules will be a big part of it, but if you're forced to foot slog the formation in packs of 5, well, that's just dumb!! I'm guessing it'll be at least a little customizable. And if nothing else, I guess it's possible to put them in non-dedicated allied transports.. though two raiders and a Proteus will set you back 700 minimum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 It looks like Krom's pack of Wolf Guard requires a specific loadout- Whether that's true of the full formation (Boo!) or just a special rule to help people w/o the codex remains to be seen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 One can always use some more TDA... agreed! I just can't say no to TDA. It's a good sickness! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 my thought is to split it, build nothing of the new models, but just hold on to them so I have bodies to match the new dex. There aren't any shots of his rules yet, and that will likely make or break my decision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 When was the last non-apoc formation that allowed a variable number of units (e.g. 1-3 wolf guard packs, etc)? It seems like pretty much all (?) the non-apoc ones are very specific about the units, and many of them specify a particular squad size too (e.g. strike force ultra which IIRC is squads of 5). Quite a few of them specify a deployment method - once again the SFU formations both have one specific unit deep strike and the reset come in from reserves in the transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 When was the last non-apoc formation that allowed a variable number of units (e.g. 1-3 wolf guard packs, etc)? It seems like pretty much all (?) the non-apoc ones are very specific about the units, and many of them specify a particular squad size too (e.g. strike force ultra which IIRC is squads of 5). Quite a few of them specify a deployment method - once again the SFU formations both have one specific unit deep strike and the reset come in from reserves in the transport. Of the formations I know of, only the Tyranic War Veterans one has a variable number of units (Specifically, as many Stormtalons as you damn well please), although a lot of them lack unit size requirements. I sincerely hope the formation lets you run full-size squads (or somewhow combines the whole formation into one bizarre giant unit), but... who know. Maybe they'll say, "1 of each formation (Since I bet each of the previous formations in the book will have precise unit descriptions to "help" new players." In which case... blargh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 1 of each unit, you mean? And yeah, that wg pack does have a specific name, so it could easily be unique and with curtailed options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Umm, who is the dude with the banner? Check the wolf guard thumbnail. I call incoming clam pack? Edit: maybe that blue splodge of 3 pixels is a 5th WG rather than a great company banner. Edit 2: yeah I think it's the TH+SS guy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 1 of each unit, you mean? And yeah, that wg pack does have a specific name, so it could easily be unique and with curtailed options. I'm saying the book will likely have five Space Wolves dataslates; the first four will be Krom and 3 named packs with specific options pre-chosen*, and the fifth will be the combined formation. The question is, will that formation consist of the four previous dataslates (Like Tyranid Onslaught's final formation, which consisted of 7 formations from Onslaught and Invasion), or just Krom, a wolf guard pack, a grey hunters pack, and a blood claws pack? *So newbies know exactly how to assemble the models in order to build the learner force provided. Umm, who is the dude with the banner? Check the wolf guard thumbnail. I call incoming clam pack? Err... Pretty sure that's just a grey hunter with the backpack standard that you get two of in every box of Power Armored Space Wolves. Or maybe you're looking at the random hammernator's shield. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I lose power for 3 days & look what happens. THanks everyone for the posts. Least now I'n up to speed. Really liking the Krom Dragongaze model. And I wouldn't turn down a few more Termies. Don't really need the troops but then again can you really ever have to many troops? LOL!!! THe orks will give me some trade bait to. All in all a win win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Yeah, I hope that either the combined formation has sufficient flexibility (ie it's 1 wg, 1 gh and 1 bc pack including normal options for dedicated transports - making pods or mech an option) or that the combined formation/component dataalates are well thought out and viable as an add on to the army in spite of the lack of flexibility. Special characters aren't customizable but are often cheaper than a similarly armed generic character and have unique rules, and are often well worth taking. So who knows? Maybe this suboptimal term squad will cost 200 points and will get FnP and a free 6" redeploy. Would actually be quite cool as it would just mean extra options for us. We'll no doubt get an updated codex soon with rules for generic WG packs, so if they made the one in the box unique, I'd be fine with that. BUT getting back to what you said, I also hope that the combined formation is something like '*1 wolf guard pack OR 1 Krom's Kromulators' - just like strike force ultra allows a generic captain or Lysander. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Hope Krom will be awesome but won't render Ragnar redundant or inferior. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Yeah, they both seem to have that cc monster aspect to their fluff. Imo, he overlaps a little with Logan too (lots of wolf guard). Hopefully he can capture both concepts without, as you say, making Ragnar (or Logan) obsolete. One way to distinguish him from Ragnar would to make him a specialist at challenges in some way, perhaps by allowing him to choose an enemy model (even non character) to be challenged, and perhaps even force that model to accept or suffer extra penalties for declining (or concede a perk to krom's unit such as +1WS?)... or somehow otherwise good at singling out and smacking down foes one on one. Then Ragnar would be a hordeslayer, while Krom would be more of a 1v1 guy. Not sure if that matches the fluff (though it fits ragnar's saga and how it functioned in 6th) but it's one way to do it. ...though obviously that might then conflict with ARJAC. How to open up wolf guard without just cloning Logan's rule? One way would just be through formations. Put a unit of wolf guard in an inexpensive formation containing Krom and wolf guard that could be tacked onto a combined arms detachment. And give the wolf guard in the formation something different to objective secured. Additionally/instead, allow grey hunter and blood claw packs in his detachment to attach up to 3 wolf guard, rather than one. Or just if wolf guard pack leaders become upgrades (rather than being assigned at deployment), just allow a +3 pt upgrade to wolf guard status (and access to some wargear though perhaps not the whole range, dunno). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 TAKE MY MONEY!! Krom looks amazing!! I can ALWAYS use more terminators and I guess I can make a few power armored Wolf Guard with the rest of the box. My best friend is an Ork player, so he gets a very late birthday gift of more fodder for me to murder!! That back pack... And for the price, it is a very good deal. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293384-space-wolves-ork-starter-box/page/4/#findComment-3739635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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