Sn4k30r Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Hi brothers Wolverines! :D i am BT player, but i love SW too, do you expect flyers in fast-heavy slots? Storm Talons-Storm ravens? maybe new additions? will be worst than SM codex? i think if they add some Flyers maybe they will have bad BS the fact they are SW, not fans of Air, but still we will see! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daevyll Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Probably giant wolves with wings, called 'lightning pegawolves' . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3739741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 a fire raptor - with transport options for bjorn. I can but dream. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3739753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Storm Raven-Bjorn's Longship Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3739761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 my GUESS at this stage is a storm raven in the heavy support slot and maybe some kind of small gunship as fast attack - not a storm talon, something space wolf specific. That's going off the rumour (quite possibly wrong but hey) that we are getting the SR but not the talon, and the older rumour that there's a space wolf flyer in the warehouses. But I'd be more excited to see something new with a transport capacity. Hell, i'd be more excited to see us get access to land speeder storms than anything. Wolf scouts would make great use of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3739766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Dont see land speeder storms as a SW scout thing, they are on the planet way before the main force, and are hiding behind enemy lines, where are you going to hide a storm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3739788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Won't believe we're getting standard SM stuff until I see it in a codex in front of me. If we were going to get them, I'd have expected us to get them already, like regular Marines got the Raven in Death From The Skies, or the Ork flyers in WD. I'm expecting something new, probably a dual kit, and hopefully not some derpy Strikewolf gunship with wolfstrike missiles. By the way, that whole 'Wolves don't like flying thing' is a rather stupid fanon extrapolation to absurdity derived from Wolves not trusting teleporters. It's akin to 'Ork guns don't need triggers because the Ork still believes it'll fire'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3739790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Dont see land speeder storms as a SW scout thing, they are on the planet way before the main force, and are hiding behind enemy lines, where are you going to hide a storm Umm... it's not that big? Park it out back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3739792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 we dont need flyers!! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3739845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn4k30r Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 If i am correct there are some sky-rules for SW in Death from the skies, so they may get same Air-support as SM did into their codex from DFTS, i would like though a new aircraft, for you but i believe SW are more cc-ground specified army! i think Land speeder storms would be nice , Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3739846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I dont care, ill get a fire raptor soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3739885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 If we don't I'll be pretty pissed. I have no idea why we didnt get fliers in Death from the Skies. We're currently the only book that still doesnt have any fliers. Though unless we get some wolfy styled flier, like the DA did, I imagine we'll get stormravens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3739959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 we dont need flyers!! You've had too much to drink brother... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3739968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 By the way, that whole 'Wolves don't like flying thing' is a rather stupid fanon extrapolation to absurdity derived from Wolves not trusting teleporters. It's akin to 'Ork guns don't need triggers because the Ork still believes it'll fire'. Seconded. They have no problem using drop pods and they need to get from their space ships to the ground and back somehow. It's teleportation that they don't trust. Whether that's based on practical concerns about the reliability of the technology or superstition about the fact that being teleported means being projected through the Warp (the Underverse) is uncertain though I favour the latter. They like some things more than others but ultimately their "thing" is about being unstoppable, defeating anything that they are sent to destroy. Just because they're not excited about a kit doesn't mean they won't use it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3740011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I expect that we'll definitely get a flyer or two. Am hoping for a cheaper, lighter, transport option in lieu of, or in addition to, the Storm Raven. Now to tackle the "feet on the ground" issue: The attitude of the Space Wolves not to use Jump Packs was added to the 3rd Edition Codex simply as a method to "tone down" the power of the codex at that time. Prior to 2000, there was never any fluff to support a reluctance to use any Imperial technology. The need to curtail the Space Wolves was justified because of the many advantages that Jervis had given them compared to the other Marine armies of that era. We had True Grit, Counterattack, Acute Senses, Venerable Dreadnought HQ options, an extremely flexible Wolf Guard pack option that acted as a Retinue for other heroes, etc., etc. Here is the quote directly from Jervis Johnson, explaining why he made the change in the *new* codex at the time: From US White Dwarf 244 (May 2000): The last thing that serves to keep the Space Wolves in check is a reluctance to use some forms of modern technology. In game terms this is represented by not allowing Space Wolves Terminators to teleport into battle, and limiting the use of Jump Packs to Blood Claws packs. In both cases, the Space Wolves' reluctance to use the technology available to them is a perverse desire to fight 'properly' in the way that "Russ intended". I should point out that just because they have a reluctance to teleport or use jump packs it does not mean that they never do such things, just that they generally refuse to do so. So, if you are playing a campaign or are devising your own scenario feel free to override these special rules, but in other circumstances they must be used. As you can see, the fluff-explanation was simply a contrivance to explain away some restrictions/constraints that "needed" to be added to reign in some of the Space Wolves' significant advantages. Additionally, not once in the quote are Strike Cruisers, Thunderhawk Gunships, Land Speeders, Bikes, or any other combat vehicles or modes of transport mentioned in the fluff bit, only a reluctance to Teleport and to use Jump Packs - that's it. Even with those two distinct technologies, it remains a reluctance and not an absolute refusal. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3740403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 As I just made a trade for 10 assault marines, I just love jump pack blood claws, even if they are weak, but I can hope they get stronger! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3740523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 As I just made a trade for 10 assault marines, I just love jump pack blood claws, even if they are weak, but I can hope they get stronger! or just allow us to take packs of 15 of them :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3740634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormborn Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I expect there will be a flyer, although personally I'm not a fan of them (GW/FW flyers all look so clunky). Hopefully it isn't a giant flying wolf that turns into a walker but given canis & lukas it probably will be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3740645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I expect there will be a flyer, although personally I'm not a fan of them (GW/FW flyers all look so clunky). Hopefully it isn't a giant flying wolf that turns into a walker but given canis & lukas it probably will be. There will definitely be more to a SW flyer than meets the eye. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3740648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldogging Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I definitely expect one. I know that sci-fi/fantasy shouldn't be based on reality, but I refuse to accept that a successful military force is too ignorant to understand the importance of air superiority. If it is a transport, it needs to be a useful one. By that I mean it needs to allow the unit it carries to assault from reserves. Drop pods work better otherwise. Might as well just have an attack craft then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3740783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthstar Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Drop pods don't allow to assault from reserves either though, And a flyer doesn't scatter on arrival. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3740791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldogging Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Drop pods don't allow to assault from reserves either though, And a flyer doesn't scatter on arrival. No, but drop pods get there when you want, and honestly they are pretty reliable, safety wise, with the special rules and costs 35 points. Range is the entire table. Flyer requires not only rolling for reserves, but also surviving an additional turn with it's expensive payload on board. So at best a turn 3 assault and at a significant cost. The only strength is that if it has an assault ramp it can guarantee an assault. Just don't really see the gains of getting our own Stormraven"ish" flyer unless it brings something good with special rules or guns(and at that point I'd rather it not have a transport capacity tax in points) competitively speaking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3740833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I expect there will be a flyer, although personally I'm not a fan of them (GW/FW flyers all look so clunky). Hopefully it isn't a giant flying wolf that turns into a walker but given canis & lukas it probably will be. That sounds wicked cool!! I expect there will be a flyer, although personally I'm not a fan of them (GW/FW flyers all look so clunky). Hopefully it isn't a giant flying wolf that turns into a walker but given canis & lukas it probably will be. There will definitely be more to a SW flyer than meets the eye. Lupine-imus Prime?? We will see a flyer, no doubt about it. GW wants to cram more :cuss down our (the whole fan base) throats. They make more money that way. And we get to purchase something either really cool, or really unnecessary. Or both. Look at the Dark Talon!! That kit is so cool looking, and it SUCKS!! Even if we get that, I'll still just convert some thunderwolves into thunderpegas-wolves, er, yeah... :D End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3740900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwingt65 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I expect that the Storm Raven will be in the codex. As for getting a bespoke wolf-something flyer, i am not too sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3740927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Moonwolf Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Storm Raven I'd expect. Other than that the FW line of flyers suits my needs well enough. If they add a specialized one, so be it. I'm not jumping through hoops yet in anticipation of a new flyer. I'm more concerned about if I'm going to have to make heaps of wargear changes and swapouts to my 16k army... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/#findComment-3740951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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