skeletoro Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I expect there will be a flyer, although personally I'm not a fan of them (GW/FW flyers all look so clunky). Hopefully it isn't a giant flying wolf that turns into a walker but given canis & lukas it probably will be. I bet they'll just give canis wings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3740991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfjob Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I'm expecting something new, probably a dual kit, and hopefully not some derpy Strikewolf gunship with wolfstrike missiles. I chuckled. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3740995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viddar Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I hope we get one that looks the dark angel's jet fighter. Or what be really cool would be a lord of war flyer thats between a storm raven and thunderhawk. I doubt they would just add in the existing flyers though, they've had plenty of chances to go that route. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrogzc Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I just want an air superiority fighter... something able to shoot down those pesky flying tyrants or similar cause anything that hit the ground can be sliced or smashed by our thunderwolves and hunters :) A fighter with two TL lascannon on the wings and a nose TL assault cannon, not hover with 12;12;11 or 12;12;10 3 HP and BS 4. Probably between 150-160 points per plane and I think it's a good price and could work wonders. What do think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 having not played 6th because of fliers, I would imgaine that SW will get something even if it is just something that the nillas have. They could send them the way of the Dwarf and not give them anything fancy as a show peice. Time will tell I guess, tring to see if i want to play again, so hopefully then new rules(when I get them) and new codex (when it gets here) will make me want to play 40k again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 The fluff argument is silly. We've never had a problem with our land speeders or thunderhawks, after all. And besides, most of the things we do have problems with (bikes, jump packs, and teleporting) can easily be traced back to things that probably began during the Heresy and have long since forgotten the original reason for them; After all, bikes and jump packs are the assault marine's tools anyways, so being associated with the most irresponsible, mischievous members of our chapter for over ten thousand years was bound to taint the chapter's view of them. And teleporting? Well, would you use a 40k teleporter in anything other than a great emergency? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I expect there will be a flyer, although personally I'm not a fan of them (GW/FW flyers all look so clunky). Hopefully it isn't a giant flying wolf that turns into a walker but given canis & lukas it probably will be. That sounds wicked cool!! I expect there will be a flyer, although personally I'm not a fan of them (GW/FW flyers all look so clunky). Hopefully it isn't a giant flying wolf that turns into a walker but given canis & lukas it probably will be. There will definitely be more to a SW flyer than meets the eye. Lupine-imus Prime?? We will see a flyer, no doubt about it. GW wants to cram more down our (the whole fan base) throats. They make more money that way. And we get to purchase something either really cool, or really unnecessary. Or both. Look at the Dark Talon!! That kit is so cool looking, and it SUCKS!! Even if we get that, I'll still just convert some thunderwolves into thunderpegas-wolves, er, yeah... End of Line Transformer wolf flying?! Sooo down. Even if i have to buy two of them just to use both features. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 The fluff argument is silly. We've never had a problem with our land speeders or thunderhawks, after all. And besides, most of the things we do have problems with (bikes, jump packs, and teleporting) can easily be traced back to things that probably began during the Heresy and have long since forgotten the original reason for them; After all, bikes and jump packs are the assault marine's tools anyways, so being associated with the most irresponsible, mischievous members of our chapter for over ten thousand years was bound to taint the chapter's view of them. And teleporting? Well, would you use a 40k teleporter in anything other than a great emergency? Space Wolves have never had a problem with Bikes, only Teleporting and Jump Pack use; an aversion to Bikes has never been mentioned. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 The fluff argument is silly. We've never had a problem with our land speeders or thunderhawks, after all. And besides, most of the things we do have problems with (bikes, jump packs, and teleporting) can easily be traced back to things that probably began during the Heresy and have long since forgotten the original reason for them; After all, bikes and jump packs are the assault marine's tools anyways, so being associated with the most irresponsible, mischievous members of our chapter for over ten thousand years was bound to taint the chapter's view of them. And teleporting? Well, would you use a 40k teleporter in anything other than a great emergency? Space Wolves have never had a problem with Bikes, only Teleporting and Jump Pack use; an aversion to Bikes has never been mentioned. V Huh. I must have conflated the two entries. I stand corrected. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
logun Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 i always thought it was bikes to, nice to know i'm wrong(don't tell the missus) don't feel so bad about my 13 man bike squad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Talking about bikes, here's hoping SotH will be available to mounted ICs in the new dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I hope wolves do get the stprm raven. SW can actually make good use of the transport capacity and it would make dreads worth taking again. Apart from that, give me plastic wulfen, fix claws and I will be happy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwingt65 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I hope wolves do get the stprm raven. SW can actually make good use of the transport capacity and it would make dreads worth taking again. Apart from that, give me plastic wulfen, fix claws and I will be happy. The codex doesnt ned much work. And a plastic ogryn sized wulfen kit would be ace. Make them beasts and a fast attack choice :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I was thinking more along the lines of the old eye of terror rules with mark of the wulfen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I'm not a fan of actual Wulfen units, outside of the 13th Company. Give us a 13th Company supplement, then sure, have at it, Wulfen units all day long (with new plastic kits!), but otherwise they don't make sense within Space Wolves' fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnavaer Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I'm not a fan of actual Wulfen units, outside of the 13th Company. Give us a 13th Company supplement, then sure, have at it, Wulfen units all day long (with new plastic kits!), but otherwise they don't make sense within Space Wolves' fluff. Agreed on this, I think there is great potential for GW to release a 13th company supplement after the main dex which can go into the curse of the wulfen and the fluff and story of the 13th in (hopefully) a lot more detail. As for our upcoming dex I am cautiously optimistic, some might say naive, that we will either be able to take the stormraven/talon although why they have waited this long if thats the case I don't know, or some form of anti-air whether it be the hunter/stalker, flakk long fangs or whatever else they dream up. Just please don't let it be a flying wolf-monster or another fluff destroying monstrosity... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 i can see it work if you have a model with the curce and on a die role he goes full wulfen and breaks free of your unit to atack stuff that is close. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADHD-Spacewolf Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I'm not a fan of actual Wulfen units, outside of the 13th Company. Give us a 13th Company supplement, then sure, have at it, Wulfen units all day long (with new plastic kits!), but otherwise they don't make sense within Space Wolves' fluff.Actually it would make sense still, while most wolf lords don't like to use them, redmaw has a lot of wulfen, and if I remember right, redmaw is a wulfen himself Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I'm not a fan of actual Wulfen units, outside of the 13th Company. Give us a 13th Company supplement, then sure, have at it, Wulfen units all day long (with new plastic kits!), but otherwise they don't make sense within Space Wolves' fluff.Actually it would make sense still, while most wolf lords don't like to use them, redmaw has a lot of wulfen, and if I remember right, redmaw is a wulfen himself There is a significant difference between Space Wolves with the Mark of the Wulfen (also known as Wolfbitten), than those who've lost all control and gone full Wulfen. The former are relatively common, and continue to function within their units and formations. The latter roam the continent of Asaheim as monsters. The relatively new (Forgeworld stuff from a year or two ago) fluff with Redmaw is a little out of touch with the rest of the background material, but whatever, he's a special character so there is some latitude to make an exception. He is in the unique situation that he can go Wulfen temporarily and then turn back normal. He's like the Hulk in that way. This is not the case for other Space Wolves, so there shouldn't be units of actual Wulfen in regular Space Wolves armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3741957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I just can't imagine a space wolf pilot. He'd be more likely to crash it onto an enemy horde, jump out and go swinging fists while snarling and just going into wolverine mode lol. Just couldn't imagine a Wolf being all pilot like. It's wierd. Maybe servitor pilots? Ballistic 3 and no proper piloting skills to jink? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3742033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I remember reading stories of bloodclaws joyriding with thunderhawks. I could see them getting some sort of mini flyer squadron of bloodclaws, maybe 3-5 10/10/10 flyers with a twin linked lascannon or assault cannon or the like each and 2 hp bs3 for say 40-60 pts each. No idea why we wouldn't have heard about them before fluff wise but it would make for interesting units that don't seem to break the feel of the wolfpacks. (Although it seems unlikely that single pilots would be taken from packs in such a manner, maybe lone wolves are occasionally given something to take out flying critters. idk just spitballing I suppose.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3742038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I just can't imagine a space wolf pilot. He'd be more likely to crash it onto an enemy horde, jump out and go swinging fists while snarling and just going into wolverine mode lol. Just couldn't imagine a Wolf being all pilot like. It's wierd. Maybe servitor pilots? Ballistic 3 and no proper piloting skills to jink? i just don't think that's an accurate stereotype of space wolves. And anyway, if space wolves make poor pilots then why don't they have problems driving rhinos? And i can't imagine valuable war machines such as flyers (even small ones) being entrusted into the hands of blood claws. Even land speeders have full grey hunter crew, IIRC. wolf scout pilots, i can see. That solo mentality might suit a pilot for some kind of recon/support flier (not so much a flier transport). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3742047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I just can't imagine a space wolf pilot. He'd be more likely to crash it onto an enemy horde, jump out and go swinging fists while snarling and just going into wolverine mode lol. Just couldn't imagine a Wolf being all pilot like. It's wierd. Maybe servitor pilots? Ballistic 3 and no proper piloting skills to jink? Space Wolves aren't Khorne Berserkers or Angry Marines though. If you're going to go for a stereotype to argue against Wolf pilots, at least go for one that's almost true. Like being too drunk to fly straight . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3742052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 So their flyer will have vector dancer? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3742055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I just can't imagine a space wolf pilot. He'd be more likely to crash it onto an enemy horde, jump out and go swinging fists while snarling and just going into wolverine mode lol. Other than those with the Mark of the Wulfen (see above), and perhaps the newest Blood Claws, that doesn't fit the fluff for Space Wolves at all. Just think about how real (i.e. "Terran") packs of Wolves hunt and kill - sure, they bring down the fury when they make contact and have their maws on the throats of their prey, but up until that point, it's all about being patient, working together, tiring out the prey, and setting up the optimal conditions for springing the trap. Sure, you wouldn't want to throw your greenest Blood Claw in the cockpit, but a Grey Hunter would be extremely well-suited for it. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293482-do-you-expect-flyers-with-the-new-sw-codex/page/2/#findComment-3742067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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