Wade Garrett Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 The Warmonger is a sane (for a Chaos Dreadnaught) Chaos Dread who spends the entirety of the Dark Disciple trilogy thinking he's fighting the Siege of Terra and is one of the two Word Bearers in the series worthy of the name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3785942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 What is the connection with The Purge? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3785946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Just out of sheer curiosity, who was the second, Wade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3785948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 @Cormac Airt In life, the Warmonger was a Dark Apostle who led the 34th Host before Jarrulek's ascension. Barring sudden plot twists, it seems that he is Sor Talgron's fate. @1000heathens Sabtec of the 13th Coterie. This fellow. Sometimes Sabtec wished he too could lose himself in the dreams and delusions of battles long past. Perhaps in them, the outcome would be different, and the False Emperor would be overthrown. It would be the Legions loyal to the Emperor that were hunted to the galaxy's fringes, and the Great Crusade would be re-launched, deviants and xenos exterminated in glorious warfare that would set the universe ablaze. All of humanity would be united behind his master Lorgar, and a new era of unity and rapturous praise of the Chaos Gods would emerge. All who spurned the teaching of the XVII Primarch would be sacrificed. There would be war, of course, but without war humanity would become weak. Sabtec bitterly dispelled such thoughts, and ordered his Coteries on, plunging deeper into the belly of the Sword of Truth. -Dark Creed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3785963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 The key off that the Warmonger is Sor Talgron is the helmet. In Dark Disciple, the Warmonger gives Marduk the skull-faced helmet he wore in life. In The Purge, we see where the helmet comes from and Sor Talgron's fate is sealed as eventually being interred. Eye-row-knee. Also, as Wade said, eventually we're going to see Sor Talgron become a Daek Apostle, which creates all kind of interesting thought patterns for the hierarchy of the xvii. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3785971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrafficCustodes Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Just finished it. I liked it, quite a bit. It actually had something that I very rarely see in a Traitor-focused book, and that is sympathetic Loyalists. Many of them like to really push the inadequacy or hypocrisy of the Loyalists. The best representation I can think of is AD-B's Night Lords trilogy, which showed the Loyalists during the Scouring as terrifyingly effective. So I was pleasantly surprised at the Ultramarines in this book. It helps I guess that the main character was resistant to the ideals of the Traitor cause. I am curious, who is this Warmonger character? Is it Sor Talgron's future? On a side note, I'm kind of irritated that the top three super special novellas are all Traitor-centric. I liked Aurelian and Tallarn better, but this was leagues better than the likes of the Ravenlord. This might be just personal opinion but I thought the Ultramarine leader in 'Betrayer' was one of the most heroic/awesome characters in that book. Based mainly on the fact he's surrounded by countless World Eaters including Khârn who tell him his battle is over, and he says something like "Very well, I accept your surrender." Also - would you call Tallarn a Traitor novella? It's mostly about loyalist Imperial Army after all. (I agree that it's really good.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3786064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Just finished it. I liked it, quite a bit. It actually had something that I very rarely see in a Traitor-focused book, and that is sympathetic Loyalists. Many of them like to really push the inadequacy or hypocrisy of the Loyalists. The best representation I can think of is AD-B's Night Lords trilogy, which showed the Loyalists during the Scouring as terrifyingly effective. So I was pleasantly surprised at the Ultramarines in this book. It helps I guess that the main character was resistant to the ideals of the Traitor cause. I am curious, who is this Warmonger character? Is it Sor Talgron's future? On a side note, I'm kind of irritated that the top three super special novellas are all Traitor-centric. I liked Aurelian and Tallarn better, but this was leagues better than the likes of the Ravenlord. This might be just personal opinion but I thought the Ultramarine leader in 'Betrayer' was one of the most heroic/awesome characters in that book. Based mainly on the fact he's surrounded by countless World Eaters including Khârn who tell him his battle is over, and he says something like "Very well, I accept your surrender." Also - would you call Tallarn a Traitor novella? It's mostly about loyalist Imperial Army after all. (I agree that it's really good.) Haha, I loved that bit too! Absolute bad man. I wouldn't either, but some people claim it to be this "Iron Warriors fan bible" - never understood that, just because it's all Alpha Legion, as ever ...doesn't make it Traitor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3786125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 On the topic of Tallarn, I'm just going to blame tiredness at the time instead of admitting that I don't know what I'm talking about. :sweat: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3786354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I've just read it and it's awesome,definitely redeems Reynolds for Dark Creed and Disciple. The only question I have is: If Talgron is so afraid of being interred in a dreadnought that he would rather die, what makes him change his mind? Or will it be explained in another novella? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3786708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Who says that he was given a choice the second time around? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3786713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 On the topic of Tallarn, I'm just going to blame tiredness at the time instead of admitting that I don't know what I'm talking about. You will be forgiven. This time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3786924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelPaladin Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 So, I finally got around to reading this. I owe Mr. Reynolds an apology. This novella seriously blew my expectations out of the water. This was very far removed from his 40k Word Bearer series, which was well, not my cup of tea to say the least. The fact that the Ultramarines used phosphex on their own world was an added bonus. Also the fact that Ultramarines characters were actually interesting and well written was also a nice surprise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3793762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 He even threw in a nod to the disparity of the Imperium's account of history by pointing out the Word Bearers would be blamed because surely the Ultramarines would never use phosphex. Honestly, I am really believing that my personal fantheory of certain things like the IA articles saying that Ultramar only ever had 8 worlds isn't "wrong", it is just that as far as the Imperium is concerned, that is the truth. After all, who would want to admit that the Legion that arguably came out of the Heresy on top lost at least one hundred worlds, one of which was only reclaimed because everyone was able to seek shelter underground? Even Calth's history is "wrong". Ah, the lies of propaganda, they smell as sweet as ash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3793767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 How true... ...history is written by the augmented superhuman victors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3794040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizur Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Wow! Now I'm trough with the reading of the Purge, what a fantastic Novel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293546-coming-soonthe-purge/page/7/#findComment-3814212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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