march10k Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 So I'm building the air assault formation from the stormtroopers codex, it runs between 950 and 1200 points, depending on how large the squads are, but it all has to start in reserves, so it works best as an ally, IMHO. I was toying with IG as a primary detachment, but none of the variations I came up with were really satisfying (I have about 4k points of IG, so plenty to choose from), and then I thought...what about sisters? So what do you guys think about sisters and stormtroopers? Both progenium graduates...one is religiously brainwashed, the other is politically brainwashed...but they seem to go well together. I was thinking a canoness (attached to the stormtrooper command squad in one of the Valkyries), two ten-man battle sister squads with (empty cheap super-scorers) rhinos, and two exorcists. 20 battle sisters to defend the tanks, which provide long range support to the air cav when it arrives, and the canoness adds a little assault-deterring melee oomph to the command squad (which will nonetheless avoid combat, it's got 4 plasma guns and can twinlink itself!) With thoughtful deployment of objective markers, there can always be at least one OBJ in the friendly deployment zone for the sisters to control while they shoot anything that threatens the exorcists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ravel Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Apart from the cost, is there a particular reason you would prefer 10-sister squad in rhinos VS 5-sister squad in Immolator ? You have access to the same weaponry being 5 or 10 anyway. I'm just asking because the Twinlinked Multi Melta Immolator can do wonder. It would indeed cost more, but would give you 8 super scoring instead of 4. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3741321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 5 Sisters cost the same points as an Immolator, so actually, 5 sisters and an immo is cheaper than 10 sisters in one of our over-priced rhinos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3741492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Yes, there's a reason. I want the enemy to have minimal reason to shoot my super-scoring transport, I'm running it empty as a LOS-blocker and an objective-capper. I don't want to spend extra points that don't make it harder to kill, but do make it more important for the enemy to do so. I do kinda like the idea of 5-man sisters squads...I can get more of them that way... I don't need the rolling coffins to kill stuff, The four valkyrie-loads of stormtroopers have that covered. I need the sisters contingent to hold my table half, camp some objectives, and rain exorcist missiles down on enemy heads. Maybe I'll drop the rhinos for more sisters... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3742206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 You could, yes. Or... you could use some of the points you save by only half filling them to upgrade your Rhinos to Repressors and present the enemy with a wall full of AV13 instead of AV11. If your objective is flat-out denial of table, its worth while. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3742387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naminé Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 You could, yes. Or... you could use some of the points you save by only half filling them to upgrade your Rhinos to Repressors and present the enemy with a wall full of AV13 instead of AV11. If your objective is flat-out denial of table, its worth while. Exactly what I was going to say! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3742431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 That is a good plan, only I don't own any yet, since they've only recently been legitimized for normal games of 40k. Once I get my hands on some, though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3742544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 There's a couple of easy conversion guides available if you don't want to go to Forge World. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3742770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Well...since a "proper" sisters rhino looks so radically different from a space marine rhino, and sisters armies are relatively rare, I was thinking of just figuring out a magnetized pintle-flamer, then calling it a day... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3742937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 We're the Sisters, though, can you really excuse being that lazy on a modelling project? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3743139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I am the lazyest painter/modeler in the world and I am thinking about going sisters.... If I can't buy it, it isn't happening.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3743446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Get. Out. (No, I'm joking. I don't understand your point of view, but rock on). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3743475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 Lazy? Economical, the magnetized pintle-flamer lets me use the same model as either a rhino or a repressor. And when I mech up my DA battle company, it'll be with immolator kits so I can have the bits I need to make immolator turrets for...the same set of hulls. The forward bubble hatch (with both stormbolter -permanent- and pintle-flamer -magnetized- on it) will not be glued on, so I can swop in the immo turret. Seven total hulls, each eventually capable of representing three different vehicles... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3743479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 See I get that. I don't have a lot of 40k armies for the simple reason that I don't feel like have 100 rhino chaised things in my game room. I wish I had the patiences to do modeling and REALLY good painting. I have to batch paint to keep me from going crazy and frankly get me playing the game sooner. I know guys who spend a while modeling a single model, then hours on hours painting it, I don't get that. On topic -ish more: where is the Repressors, I still don't have the Codex as I have no way of reading an e-book, but Army Builder doesn't show it to me. Do I have to turn on different options to see it? Is it from some data sheet (slate) thingy? Forge World? I never really like FW stuff and these data sheet things( also not a fan of apocolyps but that is a different rant), again as I have said before , I feel they take away from the game/army. But if there is a good way to get ghet things across the table for less, it might work better for what I am planning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3743659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 Actually, it's precisely because I spend a stupid amount of time on each model that I want my transports to be multi-capable. At ~15 hours per vehicle, I'm already looking at 100 hours (four months?) for seven rhinos. Making them also serve as repressors and immos probably adds 4 hours per track, essentially saving me seven months worth of work. I'm lucky enough to be in a situation where I can afford more models than I have time to paint, so I'm not being cheap, it's just that I have four 40k and three WFB armies vying for my attention. Buying 3x7 transports, no problem. Painting 21 vehicles when I can get away with 7 is a non-starter! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3743773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod.H Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 The Repressor's rules are in Imperial Armour Volume Two, which means when ever I get around to finishing the Forgeworld items I have, that only Sisters' can use, I'll need to bring two IA books (IA2, IA:A) along with the ebook reader. As for Marines, all the FW items I have for them are in IA2. Either way going by the intense discussion by some, apparently if I even contemplate using any of them I am automatically :cuss and so on. I believe the "cheesiest" FW unit I have is the Spartan Assault Tank, which is apparently a great Repentia delivery system after you find a way to get them in it. Myself, I'm planning to use it as a Deathwing Terminator delivery system. --Rod.H Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3743833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Yep, the Repressor is forge world. But since there's literally no separation between forge world and games workshop (they finally allowed them into their in-house events, for example), the only reason its a problem is carrying the books - and anyone who disagrees with you deserves to be beaten with them down verbally until they realise they're being stupid. Here's the knocks: Forge World and Games Workshop are owned by the same people under a different charter for tax purposes. They use the same publisher for their books (Games Workshop/Black Library). They are both written for the same rule system. The are both valid at GW events. They both appear in the main rulebook. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3743967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 With such a huge part of the army in reserves and looking for backfield camper options, why not an aegis with comm array? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3744038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 Well...great idea! The formation gets to reroll reserves and comes in together, but a little insurance never hurts. /edit/ Actually, it seems like TOs are clamping down on the options...it seems like the way of the future for competitive play is one combined arms detachment and then your choice of one formation, fortification, lord of war, or allied detachment. So, as silly as it sounds, I'd be unable to take an ADL in a sisters-stormtrooper list, at least for tournament play. Certainly, the exact rules will very from TO to TO, but the big boys (NOVA, Adepticon, etc) all seem to collaborate, and I got that CAD+1 limitation from a NOVA blog, so it seems likely to be a relatively common limit in the future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3744120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 Taking another look at the FW repressors, I'm thinking that I'll get FW rhino dozer blades to magnetize, as well...the IG ones I have laying around just aren't beefy enough for a repressor... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293553-sob-and-cmt/#findComment-3745400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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