Relic of Dorn Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Greetings, So with the new SW boxset coming out, I am planning on starting up another Wolves army. Last time I played them was back in 3rd edition. I still have my original Ragnar white metal model, so I plan on using him for my HQ. Any advice on how to run a Ragnar lead force? I'm starting small with Ragnar, the SW from the boxset (splitting the box with a friend that is starting Orks) and the SW Battleforce. I'm planning on convert Krom slightly to make him my Lone Wolf. The list I came up with came out to 1250 points without the drop pod. So does anyone have any advice on how to run the force, and to build it up some more? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 with his runic armour Krom would make a good wolf priest/rune priest (for those lower points games). For the lone wolf on in TDA with a storm shield/chainfist is a decent price and packs a punch plus if you're getting the stormclaw set you'll have some termies to convert. Dont know enough about using Ragnar but I think in a LR, with some blood claws, is a good start for him. To be honest I don't use him due to his cost etc (tho the new codex may change that). With rumour of the new codex at the end of the month you may want to hang on a bit and use that to help you build your force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic of Dorn Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 That was my plan. I'm going to get the Stormclaw box first and then the Battleforce box. As far as I am tracking they don't even have it on the preorder list yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Those two are good initial buys to get you going. I agree with the wait and see attitude but the two kits you are buying have a reasonably standard set of models that you will likely need to use any way. As far as ragnar I have run him out of a land raider leading greyhunters and basically had an orc sized dice pile with marine stays. It was pretty fun if Expensive points wise. Otherwise for fluff a pod list would be great. Hopefully we will see sone pod specific rules for ragnar in the new Dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Otherwise for fluff a pod list would be great. Hopefully we will see sone pod specific rules for ragnar in the new Dex. Fingers crossed! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjdudey Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Wouldn't putting Ragnar with Blood Claws be a waste of the Berserk Charge they get? or would the +D3 attacks go on top of the Berserk Charge (+2 attacks) I would have thought a Wolf Priest with Oath of war benefits bloodclaws, while Ragnar would be a buff to Grey Hunters. my 2 cents. T Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic of Dorn Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 I remember from the 3rd edition dex that Ragnar more often used with blood claws because they stacked benefits. Is the new dex supposed to be released with the Stormclaw box, or is that still up in the air? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Still up in the air, from the sounds of it, stormclaw will be released over the next week, with the codex release (maybe, very much maybe) following at the end of the month. In 5th edition (the last time i used ragnar), im pretty sure the bonuses didnt stack with BC, you just took ragnars roll, and on a 1-4, the BC retained +2 attacks, and on a 5-6, they got +3, which is why i used to run him with grey hunters instead. Id suggest a landraider over the drop pod, as he cant charge out of a pod (again, fingers crossed for a rule that overrides this in the new dex, but wouldnt count on it). Ragnar 10x Grey Hunters kitted for assault. Wolf Guard in TDA (to tank wounds/take challenges off ragnar when facing someone with 2+ save (as ragnars sword is only ap3) Land raider crusader (or drop 1 grey hunter and take a redeemer) Thats a possible 50 attacks on the charge from the grey hunters alone if you roll well (posibly more if you have someone with MotW in there), all striking with +1S cos of furious charge. Which is pretty hilarious - although your talking a lot of points in one basket, whcih is why ive only ever run it in apocalypse size games Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic of Dorn Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 So does anyone think that they will come out with a new Ragnar model? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Aweomse way to get set up. Depending on your financial situation, you should buy a Devastator box, or a Heavy Support option (Vindicator, WW, Pred, or Land Raider.) With the addition of one of those and a Drop pod, you will be competitive in game right away. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic of Dorn Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 I have a LRC from my BT that I retired that I can repaint with some Fenris love. As far as Devs I'm waiting to see if they release a Long Fang box with the update. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjdudey Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I would love to see a Long Fang box, with more missile launchers than the Dev box, 1 just isn't enough. Considering missile Launchers on their own are £5 on ebay, that a lot of coin for a 5 man Missil launcher squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic of Dorn Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Do the GH boxes come with MLs? If not I'm sure I may have some ML bits left over as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwingt65 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I would love to see a Long Fang box, with more missile launchers than the Dev box, 1 just isn't enough. Considering missile Launchers on their own are £5 on ebay, that a lot of coin for a 5 man Missil launcher squad. Most likely it will be a generic devastator box. Do the GH boxes come with MLs? If not I'm sure I may have some ML bits left over as well. No. GH's can't get heavy weapons. So does anyone think that they will come out with a new Ragnar model? No. Unfortunately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic of Dorn Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 I would love to see a Long Fang box, with more missile launchers than the Dev box, 1 just isn't enough. Considering missile Launchers on their own are £5 on ebay, that a lot of coin for a 5 man Missil launcher squad. Most likely it will be a generic devastator box. Do the GH boxes come with MLs? If not I'm sure I may have some ML bits left over as well. No. GH's can't get heavy weapons. So does anyone think that they will come out with a new Ragnar model? No. Unfortunately. Bummer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Wouldn't putting Ragnar with Blood Claws be a waste of the Berserk Charge they get? or would the +D3 attacks go on top of the Berserk Charge (+2 attacks) I would have thought a Wolf Priest with Oath of war benefits bloodclaws, while Ragnar would be a buff to Grey Hunters. my 2 cents. T goes to show my inexperience, I don't think I've ever used Ragnar in a game. With all the talk of geared up GH it sounds fun (expensive, but fun). Maybe worth a punt for a friendly game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic of Dorn Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 So quick rule check for Ragnar, would is attack in CC be 4+D3 on the charge and CC kitted hunters be 2+D3, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Hunters would be 1 basic, +1 for bp & ccw + D3 for charging. Ragnar, would be his statline for basic +1 for bp & ccw + D3 for charging. Does he have saga of warrior born? Take a wolf guard or priest, so they can do challenges, (assist with re-rolls if you take a priest) and allow Ragnar to absolutely butcher enemy troops Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Well, now he can butcher them just after killing the enemy character, because leftover wounds are redirected to the rest of the enemy unit. Well, now in the 7th. he can butcher them just after killing the enemy character, because leftover wounds from the duel are redirected to the rest of the enemy unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 To the OP, There is a link in my signature block to Space Wolves Resources, within that section is a thread on what you should purchase for Space Wolves. Go check that out before you buy anything. The Sanctus Reach Stormclaw set will no doubt be good for you, as you'll get the mini-rulebook, and some great starter models at a great discount, and then you can make the purchases based on the recommended thread. Otherwise, I expect the new codex to be out within the month, so I wouldn't make any purchases beyond the Stormclaw box until that hits the streets and we all have a chance to dissect it. Of course, many things are still likely to be good units (Grey Hunters and Long Fangs, for example), but you never know what adjustments will be made to shift power dynamics, so you don't want to get ahead of yourself and start assembling models in a sub-optimal way. Just be patient. I know it's hard, but just be patient. Wouldn't putting Ragnar with Blood Claws be a waste of the Berserk Charge they get? or would the +D3 attacks go on top of the Berserk Charge (+2 attacks) I would have thought a Wolf Priest with Oath of war benefits bloodclaws, while Ragnar would be a buff to Grey Hunters. my 2 cents. T The Blood Claws still get their +2 at a minimum, but could bump to +3 with a good roll from Ragnar. I still like him with Grey Hunters, though, as they're just more versatile. If they improve Claws a little in the next codex, though... Hunters would be 1 basic, +1 for bp & ccw + D3 for charging. Ragnar, would be his statline for basic +1 for bp & ccw + D3 for charging. Does he have saga of warrior born? Take a wolf guard or priest, so they can do challenges, (assist with re-rolls if you take a priest) and allow Ragnar to absolutely butcher enemy troops He does have Warriorborn, and he can really tear through enemy troops, as long as he doesn't come up against 2+ Armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic of Dorn Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Thanks for all the great information and suggestions guys. After I get a look at the new dex I will put together a 1st draft list and see what everyone thinks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 So quick rule check for Ragnar, would is attack in CC be 4+D3 on the charge and CC kitted hunters be 2+D3, right? Might be late to the party, however, Ragnar's Charge bonus worked as follows in 5th; likely 6th, probably 7th. - + 1d3 on the charge, calculated as follows: - +2 berserk charge for blood claws means the lowest result possible for the d3 is any value up to and including 2; 2 or 3 are the only results available. - +1 for everyone else becomes a normal 1d3 roll. Blood Claws led by both Ragnar, a WP with Preferred Enemy (Infantry) and then either 13 BC's and a WGPL with a PFist or just 14 BC's is expensive in a LRC; however, should it get to its target, the hurt will commence rather swiftly! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3741858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I prefer Rags with GH for simple reason of the Wolf Std.. Lets you reroll any ones(unless they just FAQ'd it) in CC. Combined in a Crusader with a WGPL in TDA, you're rolling dice like a mob of orks, kicking but like super WG 'cause of the reroll & being pretty unkillable like Necrons cause of the reroll again. Combined with his Saga of the Warrior Born & well his first 2 turns of CC can really derail an opponents plan. Just concentrate on the easy stuff first & leave the harder stuff till later. If you really want to get sick, upgrade the WGPL to Arjak & watch your opponents reaction. I only run this list against opponents I want to make a point with. It's expensive, but if played right, devastating. For actual buying stuff, stick to your guns & wait. And read Valerians stuff. It really is a great guide. And read all his guides. I've been playing since 2ed off & on & still find myself going back to it every now & then. Good luck with what ever you decide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3742213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
logun Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 i used a wolf preist with 9 powered armoured WG plus Arjac a week or two back, got the charge on 30 choppa boys. they basically dissapeared before getting a chance to hit. swap ragnar for the WP while arjac takes the challenges and you'll kill nearly anything. expensive but so is 15 bloodclaws plus a WP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3742247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic of Dorn Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 The Battleforce box is no longer on the GW site. You guys think that it's gonna get a revamp like Codex Marines did? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293576-starting-anew/#findComment-3742515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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