Hyaenidae Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Oh my God, Khârn is a psyker!!! That's the only way to explain all his superpowers! ...Sorry, but the 'everyone is a psyker' thing has gotten a touch old. I always preferred to imagine Garro was nuking daemons with Faith, not subliminal mind-bullets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3747340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I do wish I hadn't mentioned it, I don't really believe Garro is a psyker If he was, latent or not, wouldn't meeting Amanda Kendrel and her squad have had some kind of negative effect on him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3747495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 since when was pepper pots in the warhammer40k universe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3747502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I do wish I hadn't mentioned it, I don't really believe Garro is a psyker If he was, latent or not, wouldn't meeting Amanda Kendrel and her squad have had some kind of negative effect on him? Should have, yes. Even the typical human has enough of a psychic presence that blanks and pariahs make them uneasy and naturally evasive. Psykers themselves, Period, are completely repulsed. Imagine walking into a building that is filled with trash and animal dung that has been roasting in no air conditioning with the outside being 90 degrees fahrenheit on a good day with 60-90 percent humidity. I'm sure veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan have seen worse. That is pretty much what kind of gutwrenching revulsion it illicits in a psyker to be near a pariah. The fact that Eisenhorn could tolerate touching one speaks volumes about his force of will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3747506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Because so many latent psykers are beginning to discover/rediscover their power during the Heresy, I don't think it would be far fetched. I believe KNF mentions something about one of the Ultras getting headaches because of the psychic backlash about to happen. The Ultras who get headaches in KNF are Rubio and the other former librarians. They aren't latent psykers, they're 'active' psykers who have consciously opted to not use their powers due to Nikea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3747622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 @Kravin: It's "Tarvitz is alive." Troll right dude. I save my proper trolling for the finest targets - see my Weekender thread. Thanks to my suggestions Laurie Goulding had to read out the quiz team name, "Tarvitz Lives". He said it made him feel physically sick. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3747812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 @Kravin: It's "Tarvitz is alive." Troll right dude. I save my proper trolling for the finest targets - see my Weekender thread. Thanks to my suggestions Laurie Goulding had to read out the quiz team name, "Tarvitz Lives". He said it made him feel physically sick. :lol: Oh man, that is funny. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3747859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 I do wish I hadn't mentioned it, I don't really believe Garro is a psyker If he was, latent or not, wouldn't meeting Amanda Kendrel and her squad have had some kind of negative effect on him? Don't give up now, you so close. You are asking all the right questions. I have an answer for you. Pg 363 The Flight of the Eisenstein 'With an abrupt sensation, Garro felt a chill range deep through his bones. It was the same odd feeling he had encountered when he saw Sister Amendera in the Endurance's assembly chamber, the same peculiar absence of something indefinable, only now he felt surrounded by it, the disquiet pressing in on him from every side.' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3747900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 But everyone feels that emptiness around blanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Okay, for some reason I am having trouble replying to this topic. It literally is not letting me post my response that I had typed up. It won't even let me edit it in. This is weird. Basically, all humans react negatively to pariahs. This is because all humans have connections to the warp. Psykers are characterized by having extreme reactions. As pages 423 to 424 of The Outcast Dead, even in an Astartes, it will cause nausea and even blurriness in vision as it disrupts his ability to focus. In a mortal, page 418 shows that it causes irrational fear at just the thought of a pariah existing while also eliciting physical pain at the touch of a pariah(page 424). Rather different than just "a cold feeling". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Okay, for some reason I am having trouble replying to this topic. It literally is not letting me post my response that I had typed up. It won't even let me edit it in. This is weird. Basically, all humans react negatively to pariahs. This is because all humans have connections to the warp. Psykers are characterized by having extreme reactions. As pages 423 to 424 of The Outcast Dead, even in an Astartes, it will cause nausea and even blurriness in vision as it disrupts his ability to focus. In a mortal, page 418 shows that it causes irrational fear at just the thought of a pariah existing while also eliciting physical pain at the touch of a pariah(page 424). Rather different than just "a cold feeling". More in that quote than I thought. I was going to ask if you meant physically or emotionally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 since when was pepper pots in the warhammer40k universe? Just figured it out... Garro isnt a psyker or a jedi... He's IRON MAN!!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 FINALLY somone gets it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Or you can look at Prospero Burns, when the Sisters take to the field against the Thousand Sons for the first time. Hands locked into palsied claws, eyes bled freely, teeth shattered in mid-conjuration, and the entire battle line effectively crumbled as the Sons were left reeling backwards and broken, their powers snuffed and cut off brutally. Not just discomfort. Mind-numbing, brain scalding pain. The effects of a Blank on a blunt are vastly different than their effect on a psyker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Especially on really powerful Pskyer's who start to take their powers for granted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinholt Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 To be fair, I thought everyone knew that Sejanus is actually Janus. I mean, damn, people, it's literally IN HIS NAME. How more unsubtle could it be? What, dead, you say? You mean like Loken? That's what I thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share Posted July 18, 2014 Okay, for some reason I am having trouble replying to this topic. It literally is not letting me post my response that I had typed up. It won't even let me edit it in. This is weird. Basically, all humans react negatively to pariahs. This is because all humans have connections to the warp. Psykers are characterized by having extreme reactions. As pages 423 to 424 of The Outcast Dead, even in an Astartes, it will cause nausea and even blurriness in vision as it disrupts his ability to focus. In a mortal, page 418 shows that it causes irrational fear at just the thought of a pariah existing while also eliciting physical pain at the touch of a pariah(page 424). Rather different than just "a cold feeling". Thank you for providing some reference material for your argument. It really helps to understand where you are coming from. Having read through yours, I have found some things that don't add up. There is a important difference between the Soulless of the Culexus Clade killers and the blanks of the Sisters of Silence. While they both posses the pariah gene, the Soulless have the dominant gene and the Sisters have the recessive version. Their effect on psykers is likewise different. What their respective effects would be on a latent psyker is open for debate. Also the Clade killers are fitted with special equipment that enhances their powers. I could see the Sisters also having some gear to boost their abilities but i doubt it would be to the level of the Culexus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Okay, for some reason I am having trouble replying to this topic. It literally is not letting me post my response that I had typed up. It won't even let me edit it in. This is weird. Basically, all humans react negatively to pariahs. This is because all humans have connections to the warp. Psykers are characterized by having extreme reactions. As pages 423 to 424 of The Outcast Dead, even in an Astartes, it will cause nausea and even blurriness in vision as it disrupts his ability to focus. In a mortal, page 418 shows that it causes irrational fear at just the thought of a pariah existing while also eliciting physical pain at the touch of a pariah(page 424). Rather different than just "a cold feeling". Thank you for providing some reference material for your argument. It really helps to understand where you are coming from. Having read through yours, I have found some things that don't add up. There is a important difference between the Soulless of the Culexus Clade killers and the blanks of the Sisters of Silence. While they both posses the pariah gene, the Soulless have the dominant gene and the Sisters have the recessive version. Their effect on psykers is likewise different. What their respective effects would be on a latent psyker is open for debate. Also the Clade killers are fitted with special equipment that enhances their powers. I could see the Sisters also having some gear to boost their abilities but i doubt it would be to the level of the Culexus. Do you have a source for that? Also, the dominant/recessive gene thing relates to probability of being exhibited by the next generation, not the strength of the effect. Brunettes are statisitically more likely than red heads but that doesn't mean brunette hair is more powerful than red hair. In fact, to display the trait of the dominant gene you only need to get the gene from one of your parents. To display the recessive trait you need to inherit the gene from both of your parents. That would mean that humans suitable to become sisters of silence would be rarer than humans suitable to become Culexus assassins which seems wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Okay, for some reason I am having trouble replying to this topic. It literally is not letting me post my response that I had typed up. It won't even let me edit it in. This is weird. Basically, all humans react negatively to pariahs. This is because all humans have connections to the warp. Psykers are characterized by having extreme reactions. As pages 423 to 424 of The Outcast Dead, even in an Astartes, it will cause nausea and even blurriness in vision as it disrupts his ability to focus. In a mortal, page 418 shows that it causes irrational fear at just the thought of a pariah existing while also eliciting physical pain at the touch of a pariah(page 424). Rather different than just "a cold feeling". Thank you for providing some reference material for your argument. It really helps to understand where you are coming from. Having read through yours, I have found some things that don't add up. There is a important difference between the Soulless of the Culexus Clade killers and the blanks of the Sisters of Silence. While they both posses the pariah gene, the Soulless have the dominant gene and the Sisters have the recessive version. Their effect on psykers is likewise different. What their respective effects would be on a latent psyker is open for debate. Also the Clade killers are fitted with special equipment that enhances their powers. I could see the Sisters also having some gear to boost their abilities but i doubt it would be to the level of the Culexus. Or you can look at Prospero Burns, when the Sisters take to the field against the Thousand Sons for the first time. Hands locked into palsied claws, eyes bled freely, teeth shattered in mid-conjuration, and the entire battle line effectively crumbled as the Sons were left reeling backwards and broken, their powers snuffed and cut off brutally. Not just discomfort. Mind-numbing, brain scalding pain. The effects of a Blank on a blunt are vastly different than their effect on a psyker. Now, because I'm one of those weird people who believe in confirmation and redundancy, I'll look for a page number when I get home from work. Unfortunately that may not be until 8 or 9 am EST. If not later. So if anyone feels up to it, a second check would be welcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Prospero Burns; Page 415 (Paperback), 5th paragraph down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Or a check from the man who posted works just as well. :D But essentially, the "clade vs sister" in terms of strength seems to be rather negligible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3748514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrafficCustodes Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Possible release date of 'Shield Of Lies' discussed in this podcast interview. http://garagehammer.net/2014/08/transmission-a-1-garro-audio-james-swallow-interview/ There'll be 'previews' before the end of 2014 and it's set to come out in January 2015. No word on whether that's the CD release or the website download. Possibility of it being a 'two disc' release, so maybe 2 hrs+. The drama will apparently feature Garro continuing to question his current role in the Imperium, perhaps going through a bit of a crisis of confidence. He also curb-stomps a Thallax (direct quote). GARRO ULTIMATE FATE SPOILERS It seems that Garro's story was planned out by James after 'Eisenstein' and set to conclude "at the Siege Of Terra", and a full audio drama for the last chapter in Garro's story (set during the Siege) has been completely plotted in his head. PS CONFIRMED WORD OF GOD BY JAMES SWALLOW: Garro is absolutely not a psyker unless "someone after me comes and retcons it". Are you surprised? (I was surprised.) Fans of the audio dramas might be interested to know that Toby Longworth based his Garro on Peter O'Toole in Lawrence Of Arabia (heh). In terms of long term Garro plans, it sounds like the possibility of Garro 'novel' floated, which would apparently be a prose version of the audio dramas alongside new stories. Would be good for people who dislike the dramas and want to find out what happened to Nate after he got to Terra. A lot of Heresy series talk, I really recommend anyone curious about the state of the series give this a listen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3787721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 New cover featuring Sevatar and Loken. http://cdn.guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/imgur.com4MMRK.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3787759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 It seems that Garro's story was planned out by James after 'Eisenstein' and set to conclude "at the Siege Of Terra", and a full audio drama for the last chapter in Garro's story (set during the Siege) has been completely plotted in his head. PS CONFIRMED WORD OF GOD BY JAMES SWALLOW: Garro is absolutely not a psyker unless "someone after me comes and retcons it". Are you surprised? (I was surprised.) I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3787763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrafficCustodes Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I always entertained the possibility that it might be true, and also that that Garro would go on beyond that point. I'm not hugely shocked, but I'm a bit surprised that's been confirmed as untrue fairly concrete-ly at this point in the story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/3/#findComment-3787768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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