Hyaenidae Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Garro's coolest selling point has been faith, not dorky mind tricks. Not only am I not surprised, but I am also relieved that an excellent character isn't getting the giraffe treatment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3787769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrafficCustodes Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I'm happy for you. I'm just saying I didn't rule it out as firmly as some others have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3787772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I'm happy that Garro isn't a psyker. Was it implied that our dear Nathanial would die at Terra? Or just that that would be the last we hear of him? I really hope that he isn't a Grey Knight founder. His end needs to be suitably heroic and epic, but not that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 So that dreadful feeling in my gut when I first suspected that Loken would teleport along with emps,dorn and sanguinus on the vengeful spirit is coming true? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine7312000 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I swear they had better not have Garro try to fight Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Obviously Garro will push Ollanius out of the way and take Horus' mind bullets right to the eagle. But then be resurrected, because no one dies in this series. No one dies, and the first captains are the only ones the Primarchs give a :cuss about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I swear they had better not have Garro try to fight Horus. Nah,Loken's going to stand to the side and let the emperor fight horus by himself, because 2 vs 1 is an unfair fight Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dimetrius Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I'm happy that Garro isn't a psyker. Was it implied that our dear Nathanial would die at Terra? Or just that that would be the last we hear of him? I really hope that he isn't a Grey Knight founder. His end needs to be suitably heroic and epic, but not that. I just listened to the interview on the "After Ullanor" podcast where James Swallow confirmed that Garro isn't a psyker :D He was ambiguous wether or not he will survive Terra. He did mention plans for the Garro series "including the Siege of Terra and beyond", but also that he has Garro's final chapter sketched out in his head, at Terra. So who knows :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrafficCustodes Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Yeah, I noticed that - wondered if it was an unintentional slip or not. He says that Garro's story will end "at Terra" a few times, but he also mentioned it as going beyond the end of the Heresy. It could mean his influence on the Imperium lives on after his no doubt horrible death (maybe to Grulgor?) or it could mean the 'last' Garro story won't involve him dying. Obviously Garro will push Ollanius out of the way and take Horus' mind bullets right to the eagle. But then be resurrected, because no one dies in this series. No one dies, and the first captains are the only ones the Primarchs give a about. Do you really want to do this? Do you want to reach back into the archives and compile the 'Dead' vs 'Resurrected' list? I'm pretty sure the 'Dead' list is much longer. I'm happy that Garro isn't a psyker. Was it implied that our dear Nathanial would die at Terra? Or just that that would be the last we hear of him? I really hope that he isn't a Grey Knight founder. His end needs to be suitably heroic and epic, but not that. If it's confirmed he's not a psyker, it's pretty much impossible that he's a GK founder, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I genuinely didn't realise more than one person thought Garro was a psyker. That's been my surprise of the thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I genuinely didn't realise more than one person thought Garro was a psyker. That's been my surprise of the thread. You and I both, dude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrafficCustodes Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 There were a couple small moments in 'Flight Of The Eisenstein' that made me think it might be a small possibility. It was pretty clearly not the case in any of the audio dramas since then. I figured it was very unlikely, but I also felt after the Severian reveal, anything was possible. I was wrong about this. I accept that. It doesn't change how interested I am in how Garro's story plays out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Garro gets possesed by Raum and hunts Erebus forever :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 And Asdrubael Vect becomes Janus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Can't wait to get this. Still need to get that double feature with Burden of Duty. He might not have been one of the first Grey Knights but he could still have helped start it up with others that are psykers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted August 24, 2014 Author Share Posted August 24, 2014 I genuinely didn't realise more than one person thought Garro was a psyker. That's been my surprise of the thread. Guess i was not alone. Ah well. I still got Loken to hang my hopes on..... for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I didn't think people thought he was a psyker, I heard this horrible rumour about magic gene seed that turned non psykers into psykers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I didn't think people thought he was a psyker, I heard this horrible rumour about magic gene seed that turned non psykers into psykers. I'm not sure that was anything more than a fan theory. Although if the geneseed did come from the Emperor and not Arik Taranis as some believe, then I think it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that that genetic legacy could unlock latent psyker powers. Not at all implying that Garro is a latent may I add. Look at the main character in The Emperor's Gift and who he used to be. His psychic powers evolved immensely, although there is no evidence that it was the geneseed that did it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drooling blood Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Does it matter, Swallow can't write anything. Counter is 10 levels above him, and hes hit or miss. He and Thorpe make Capt Pugwash look like intelligent writing. He looks like a bad alpha legionnaire pretending to be a wolf. Any and all of his works should be declared hereticus and be excommunicated from all records. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 What... what? That was rather out of the blue. Are you trying to slate Swallow, Thorpe or Counter? Swallow wrote Flight of the Eisenstein, one of the best novels in the HH series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrafficCustodes Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Does it matter, Swallow can't write anything. Counter is 10 levels above him, and hes hit or miss. He and Thorpe make Capt Pugwash look like intelligent writing. He looks like a bad alpha legionnaire pretending to be a wolf. Any and all of his works should be declared hereticus and be excommunicated from all records. Chill, bro! It's cool not to like an author, but this kind of hyperbole isn't helpful. And bringing appearance into this? C'mon man. I mean we're on a 40K forum. I'm sure many of us look kind of silly. I know I do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 There were a couple small moments in 'Flight Of The Eisenstein' that made me think it might be a small possibility. It was pretty clearly not the case in any of the audio dramas since then. I figured it was very unlikely, but I also felt after the Severian reveal, anything was possible. I was wrong about this. I accept that. It doesn't change how interested I am in how Garro's story plays out. As Stormcaller suggests, it's still possible that someone may have an "awakening" - but yeah, still unlikely. Love it when Garro crops up - just one of those characters who you always want to see succeed within the series. I actually still have a couple of these audios to check out. Best get on them! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3788983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I think drooling blood is James Swallow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3789152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJB2K3 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Where did people get the idea that Garro could be a latent?I have read or heard nothing that could produce such theory's but...Garro is/was originally from Holy Terra! (it came up in conversation in one of the early HH novels) Who says that ALL GK founders had to be Psykers? Surly Malcador placed one or two norms to make sure that and army of pure mind suckers wouldn't go rogue! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3795067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Where did people get the idea that Garro could be a latent? I have read or heard nothing that could produce such theory's but... Garro is/was originally from Holy Terra! (it came up in conversation in one of the early HH novels) Who says that ALL GK founders had to be Psykers? Surly Malcador placed one or two norms to make sure that and army of pure mind suckers wouldn't go rogue! Wolf Lord Kieran should be along soon to explain how some think Garro is a latent. As to the GK Founders, the fluff says so. And Laurie Goulding, Chief Editor of Black Library. So it is virtually the same thing. I'm also reasonably sure it is in at least one of the GK Codices. A Chapter of Psykers, for Psykers, by Psykers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293603-garro-shield-of-lies-james-swallow/page/4/#findComment-3795088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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