Garro: Shield of Lies (James Swallow)

[Uprising]

I personally can't wait, Garro(as well as Flight of Einstein) is the reason I started a pre-heresy 7th company of death guard. 

[BassWave]

I think drooling blood is James Swallow.

You must be a psyker.

 

My question is, aside from being a popular gimmick, why is being a latent psyker such a typical thing that happens in the Horus Heresy? Does it have to do with all the negative emotional energies everyone is releasing in those tumultuous times? I've never heard of "closet" psykers being a thing in 40k fluff.

[Slips]

Maybe because some of the primarchs *cough*Mortarion*cough* really HATE / Dislike psykers so, when one being a closet psyker, if they ever had an inkling about their potential, they'd probably do everything they could to suppress it so that they're demi-god genefather wouldn't cast them out of the legion..or y'know..execute them.

 

Also might have to do with the flux in the warp as you mentioned, due to the whole Heresy thing. Plus, the geneseed for astartes back then was also a lot purer and we have reason to believe that most if not all Primarchs were psychic to some extent. I can see that then making it so that more astartes are latent psykers than their 40k counterparts. 

 

But thats just conjecture on my part.

[Kol Saresk]

The thing is, it isn't a gimmick. So far only Sevarian has been a latent. Everyone else has either repressed or closet psykers. Even Sevatar.

[The Red Thirst]

 

Also might have to do with the flux in the warp as you mentioned, due to the whole Heresy thing. Plus, the geneseed for astartes back then was also a lot purer and we have reason to believe that most if not all Primarchs were psychic to some extent. I can see that then making it so that more astartes are latent psykers than their 40k counterparts. 

 

In all honesty I really like this concept :) 

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

An Extract is available now.

 

http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/garro-shield-of-lies-audiobook.html

[AfroCampbell]

Wat are peoples thoughts on the new novella? I liked it cos its brings Siggys rebellious nature against Dorn back into the mix, and shows how much Keeler means to him once again. I actually had a theory whilst reading this that the reason Siggy paints his armour black at the seige of Terra is due to the death of Keeler, and publicly Dorn covers up his wayward son's faith by appointing him Emperor's champion. Unlikely I know but it was a random thought. Also I liked that Kell and Garro were undergoing the same trial of identity from two sides of the same coin, traitor and loyal

[Marshal Rohr]

Thoughts? It's a :cuss story arc. Nothing we can do about it now. I don't know why BL authors wanted Sig to be a Yellow Word Bearer, but they did. So now he is.

[Marshal Loss]

Anyway I didn't really enjoy it (not a fan of Garro at all). The moments I enjoyed most were those involving the Sigillite, who is definitely the most interesting character in the whole 'Garro' sub plot for me

[Calas Typhon]

I am really not a fan of Garro post FotE, especially his role as Malcador's errant boy.

 

I will not buy the book, but I would love to know the key points of the plot and book if one would like to post them up in a spoiler?

[Hesh Kadesh]

Wasn't really a fan of Garro post Eisenstein. Like Loken, he should have stayed dead/out of the story.

 

Game of Thrones actually kills people. It's not frightened of it. Why is GW? In the grim darkness of the far future, only Redshirts die?

[depthcharge12]

Wasn't really a fan of Garro post Eisenstein. Like Loken, he should have stayed dead/out of the story.

 

Game of Thrones actually kills people. It's not frightened of it. Why is GW? In the grim darkness of the far future, only Redshirts die?

Welllll except for when they don't ;) you know nothing Jon Snerr...but those are major plot lines.

 

Garro was just meh as a character, and so was loken. I wish they both had darker attributes like their legions - they seem a bit brighthope for me.

[shandwen]

Wasn't really a fan of Garro post Eisenstein. Like Loken, he should have stayed dead/out of the story.

 

Game of Thrones actually kills people. It's not frightened of it. Why is GW? In the grim darkness of the far future, only Redshirts die?

I fear GW getting used to killing off people more than I despise the lack of progression. No one wants to see thier army trade sides or worse: die off (except the flesh tearers... they're cray-cray). The tides of what is cool today will fade away and leave everyone wanting a different direction in a couple years anyways.

[Hesh Kadesh]

I've noit followed the Garro plotlines. I know who and what he is, but what he does i'm of no clue.

 

So what role does he fulfil? He was a rather characterless individual (although i probably blame swallow for that) who was a captain of the DG and commanded a single vessel.

 

He isn't even especially skilled, goimg vy what rulles we have seen.

 

He runs away to bring word to the Big E. Lad with a few survivors.

 

Then what? What is it that makes him so capable that makes him uniquely suited to his task? Malcador is the spymaster. Legions have been involved in interlegionary cinflict before seemingly at the behest of the Big E. Other legionaries are noted as having considered its possibility. UM have capacity to run simulations against other Legions.

 

These ultrabeings do not have a task force of SM, or better to do the task of the errants, whatever it is they do?

[Kastor Krieg]

Thoughts? It's a story arc. Nothing we can do about it now. I don't know why BL authors wanted Sig to be a Yellow Word Bearer, but they did. So now he is.

We can reject it along with the rest of the crapola they produced, like the Astropath wor:cuss.

[Marshal Rohr]

Thoughts? It's a story arc. Nothing we can do about it now. I don't know why BL authors wanted Sig to be a Yellow Word Bearer, but they did. So now he is.

We can reject it along with the rest of the crapola they produced, like the Astropath wor:cuss.

Pretending the fluff hasn't changed is pointless. You can't change official background.

[Kastor Krieg]

Pretending the fluff hasn't changed is pointless. You can't change official background.

Or what, fluff police arrives at the scene? Try me, GW.

[Marshal Rohr]

Or what? Your army becomes a parody at best or a blatant DIY ripoff and has zero legitimacy.

[Kastor Krieg]

Or what? Your army becomes a parody at best or a blatant DIY ripoff and has zero legitimacy.

Oh, sure, because I totally need GW permission-legitimacy slash fluff-validation for my armies and the way I've played with and wrote fluff for Templars since 4e can be invalidated by this or that novella/audiobook/codex entry on an Orwellian "We've always been at war with EurAsia" basis, else other players will point fingers with a sneer and a "neener-neener, not 61st Edition compliant Chapter!"?

 

I will keep my Templars true and anyone who doesn't like it can refer to my signature.

[Remus Ventanus.]

Or what? Your army becomes a parody at best or a blatant DIY ripoff and has zero legitimacy.

I think your taking it a bit too seriously. I love lore accuracy as much as the next guy, but at the end of the day he can make his army how he wants

[Marshal Rohr]

 

Or what? Your army becomes a parody at best or a blatant DIY ripoff and has zero legitimacy.

Oh, sure, because I totally need GW permission-legitimacy slash fluff-validation for my armies and the way I've played with and wrote fluff for Templars since 4e can be invalidated by this or that novella/audiobook/codex entry on an Orwellian "We've always been at war with EurAsia" basis, else other players will point fingers with a sneer and a "neener-neener, not 61st Edition compliant Chapter!"?

 

I will keep my Templars true and anyone who doesn't like it can refer to my signature.

That's all well and good, and it's cool that you write your own fluff. But it'll never match up with anything they release again. That next Templar book? Not your chapter. Sigismund? The REAL Sigismund was a god-botherer. 6000 Templars? Nope. Less than a thousand. Just read Guy Haley's book.

[Kastor Krieg]

That's all well and good, and it's cool that you write your own fluff. But it'll never match up with anything they release again. That next Templar book? Not your chapter. Sigismund? The REAL Sigismund was a god-botherer. 6000 Templars? Nope. Less than a thousand. Just read Guy Haley's book.

You really have the BADWRONGFUN drilled in and can't accept that I can be selective about fluff? Just like Iron Hands can reject the whole "no clan companies" BS, likewise I can pick and choose. ESPECIALLY since a lot of lore is contradictory or from unreliable narrators.

 

Seriously, back off from my fun. It's none worse and I won't have you diminishing it, just because it doesn't align with your concept for "fluffial purity".

 

I don't give a :cuss. Zeal with it.

[Marshal Rohr]

 

That's all well and good, and it's cool that you write your own fluff. But it'll never match up with anything they release again. That next Templar book? Not your chapter. Sigismund? The REAL Sigismund was a god-botherer. 6000 Templars? Nope. Less than a thousand. Just read Guy Haley's book.

You really have the BADWRONGFUN drilled in and can't accept that I can be selective about fluff? Just like Iron Hands can reject the whole "no clan companies" BS, likewise I can pick and choose. ESPECIALLY since a lot of lore is contradictory or from unreliable narrators.

 

Seriously, back off from my fun. It's none worse and I won't have you diminishing it, just because it doesn't align with your concept for "fluffial purity".

 

I don't give a :cuss. Zeal with it.

Like I said. It's fine to pick your own adventure. The new fluff sucks. But it's the fluff. Pretending it's not is pointless.

[Kastor Krieg]

Like I said. It's fine to pick your own adventure. The new fluff sucks. But it's the fluff. Pretending it's not is pointless.

I'm not PRETENDING anything. My Templars are 6000+ like they used to be. My Templars hate all witches and only grudgingly use those absolutely required (like Navigators and Astropaths). They are ALL on the same page with what Bjorn the Fell-Handed said about "calling Him a god was how it all started".

 

If you cannot accept that my choices are NONE worse because of the way GW's artistic direction zig-zags back and forth, I can't help it. But I will help the instances where you try to make a point of my choices being inferior to following the Current One True Way That In A Year Or Two Might Prove To Become Something Totally Other.

[Marshal Rohr]

 

Like I said. It's fine to pick your own adventure. The new fluff sucks. But it's the fluff. Pretending it's not is pointless.

I'm not PRETENDING anything. My Templars are 6000+ like they used to be. My Templars hate all witches and only grudgingly use those absolutely required (like Navigators and Astropaths). They are ALL on the same page with what Bjorn the Fell-Handed said about "calling Him a god was how it all started".

 

If you cannot accept that my choices are NONE worse because of the way GW's artistic direction zig-zags back and forth, I can't help it. But I will help the instances where you try to make a point of my choices being inferior to following the Current One True Way That In A Year Or Two Might Prove To Become Something Totally Other.

You don't work for games workshop. You are not a black library author. ADB writes for them and they invalidated all his Templar background. You think your stuff is as valid as ADBs? That's a level of self delusion I'm not equipped to deal with.