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Some questions about the AM and the MT


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So I have some questions I was hoping you could help me with.

 

My first question is, Is there a need for the Militarum Tempestus codex if you have the Astra Militarum book, what does it bring that's different?

 

Also I tend to face Dark Eldar a lot and I want a change from my Space Marines, he tends to have his force mounted and just shoots from raiders and venoms with the odd ravager and eldar with a farseer. Do you think the AM or MT are a list that could compete with that style of list and what ways would it go about this?

The MT book is different from the AM book, as it has Scions as troops (and scion command squads as hq). And if you are worried about DA transports, try infantry platoons. Lots of squads that he cant shoot them all and spam auto cannons as they can destroy the light vehicles.

C:MT also has better orders, different warlord traits, cheaper heavy bolters on valkyries, and other differences. Stormtroopers that are fielded as an elites choice in a guard army use guard orders...but stormtroopers fielded out of C:MT use stormtrooper orders...like a C:MT command squad with four plasma guns giving itself an order to twinlink its shooting...it's death incarnate, C:AM stormtroopers can't compete with that!
I disagree with march10k personally I like the Astra Militarum orders better. C:mt has 2 good orders (twin-linked and rending), 2 ok orders (PE and sniper/pinning) and 2 crap orders (crusader and fleet). Plus only the tempestor prime can issue them. C:AM on the other hand has 6 good orders (frfsrf, ignore cover, tank/monster hunter, shoot&run, Split fire, precision shot), 2 ok orders (get back in the fight, pinning) and one bad order (movex3). Plus more command issuing units. Really the true gem of C:MT is the 2 formations but if your not using either of them then iMO you would be best served using C:AM.

Which orders would be most useful for facing dark eldar and eldar? I have some of the old Kasrkin models, about 3 or 4 units of them and at least four infantry units of steel legion with a couple of leman russ and a chimera, had these for ages now and just realised I got them in a box upstairs. I'm just unsure which book to go with for them.

I disagree with march10k personally I like the Astra Militarum orders better. C:mt has 2 good orders (twin-linked and rending), 2 ok orders (PE and sniper/pinning) and 2 crap orders (crusader and fleet). Plus only the tempestor prime can issue them. C:AM on the other hand has 6 good orders (frfsrf, ignore cover, tank/monster hunter, shoot&run, Split fire, precision shot), 2 ok orders (get back in the fight, pinning) and one bad order (movex3). Plus more command issuing units. Really the true gem of C:MT is the 2 formations but if your not using either of them then iMO you would be best served using C:AM.

I agree that the formations are the best reason to use C:MT.  But a command squad with four plasma guns twinlinking itself or giving itself 8 chances to autoglance a landraider is a thing of beauty.  Some of the "benefits" of using AM orders are a bit dubious, or at least situational...FRFSRF is not that great if you're taking special weapons, you're getting 2-7 hellguns worth of value, that's really not so hot, pun intended.  And the greater number of people who can issue orders only matters if you're in range of them...with deepstriking stormtroopers, that's less than likely, but the tempestor prime is always in range of himself, lol.

I just rummaged through my cupboard and found I have 29 Stormtroopers basic troopers, 4 melta troopers, 3 plasma troopers, 2 flamer troopers and around 5 sergeants. I also have four units of steel legion, a lascannon heavy weapons team, a colonel and commissar. I also have a Leman Russ with plasma executioner and two plasma cannons on the side, a leman russ with demolisher cannon and heavy bolter and a standard leman russ with battle cannon and lascannon.

 

Which do you think would be the better codex to use all these together and is it a legal army?

Hmm ok, I was only able to get one book today so went with the C:AM. I've written a 1.5k list based on what I  have atm and what I want to get which is just the command squads and a valkyrie but you can find the list here in the army list section if you fancy giving me some feedback on it.

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