grum88 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Hi all Just went to possibly purchase Grimnar and he is no longer available from Games workshop!!! new model maybe? and also no battleforce unless im being blind! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Interesting! Would not be surprising at all. The model isn't that new, rumour is he's being 'upgraded' to a lord of war (whether anything will change for his other rules remains to be seen) and he is leading the main SW contingent in Sanctus Reach. I can totally imagine him getting a new model. That said, it could easily mean nothing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 interesting, I have a feeling I'm going to be very poor in a month or two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Interesting! Would not be surprising at all. The model isn't that new, rumour is he's being 'upgraded' to a lord of war (whether anything will change for his other rules remains to be seen) and he is leading the main SW contingent in Sanctus Reach. I can totally imagine him getting a new model. That said, it could easily mean nothing. Based on Ghazkull, I'd highly doubt he'll get new rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Best keep an eye on or stuff available from GW I think. Have to agree with Skeletoro & Baulder. New Logan coming(rules wise wait & see but new model for sure I think) & yeah, gonna be poor in a month or two. LOL!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Hoping that he either gets a slight points decrease, or gets an extra wound ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Keep in mind that Logan will be a lord of war Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Yeah, I'd expect him to get an extra wound. But I wouldn't expect him to change a lot merely by virtue of gaining LoW status (if he does). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 this will be quite a novice question but what does being a LOW really mean. I don't have the rulebook to hand and have never needed to look up the rules as I've never played escalation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 It just means he uses that slot in a force org chart. You only get 1 LoW in a combined arms detachment and it's not an HQ... it's a LoW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Its basically another FoC slot, with one LoW per Combined Arms detachment. Thing is, if they're going the way of making the 200+ point special character a LoW without significant buffs is essentially wasting the slot, because they're competing with things super heavies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 And now we have unbound, we don't need him as a reason to take an all wolf guard army any more. Unless he made that same army battle forged. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 fair enough, I'd thought there were some other super awesome reasons for taking a LOW other than flattening 1 unit per turn. Does seem a bit off to make certain ICs LOWs tho when the rest of them are thunderhawks/baneblades etc. Who knows, maybe there is a method to this madness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl of Wulfen Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 So if GW starts to make various famous leaders LoW, do you think we'll see other chapter masters i.e. Calgary, kantor, helbrecht, Dante, will be faq'd to LoW? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgar hammerfist Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 A character using up a LoW slot does not make sense at the moment. If I am going to use the slot then it's going to be something worthy of the title. If Logan gets LoW without any significant advantage or formation then he will see a lot of shelf time. It is too bad because I like the old guy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 IF Logan became a Lord of War then yes, I would hope to see that happen, plus an FAQ moving Chapter master profile from Codex: Space Marines to the Lord of War slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Agreed!! If the old wolf becomes a Lord of War, then 1. we better get a NEW MODEL!! He's smaller than the other termis from our TDA kit!! and 2. he better get a stat increase. I think an additional wound is manditory, and another point of toughness because, well the old man is as tough as nails!! ...oh and a NEW MODEL!! End of Line p.s. Skeletoro you got my hopes up!! You best be right, friend!! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 If he is going to a LoW would that mean that we cant ever use him as HQ? I havent gotten the rules(waitin on StormClaw) so sorry if its answered in the rule book EDIT: Logan is there but the battleforce is not,not even using the search bar on the site Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookieman Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Battleforce went last night, looks like it might be replaced with something similar to the SM strike force box. Logan comes up on GW site but does say no longer available. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Keep in mind that Logan will be a lord of war In fairness, we don't actually know that; it's just what some folks are assuming, based on Ghazkull's slot movement. Personally, I'd expect a Bjorn LoW to be more likely than Logan (although they could move both). Until we start hearing more about this from some of the more reliable rumor folks, I wouldn't state it as fact. this will be quite a novice question but what does being a LOW really mean. I don't have the rulebook to hand and have never needed to look up the rules as I've never played escalation. Nothing really, unless you and your opponent actually chose to play Escalation, in which case there are a few new rules for LoW play. Otherwise, it just frees up an HQ slot, but we've had 4x slots for the past 6 years, so we don't have the HQ slot pressure that other armies have. Who knows, however, if we'll keep that double the HQ feature in our upcoming codex, though. I suspect that we will (the Orks got 3 HQ slots in their new dex), but you never know until you see it in writing. And now we have unbound, we don't need him as a reason to take an all wolf guard army any more. Unless he made that same army battle forged. It is possible that he'll lose his ability to make Wolf Guard Troops choices. Again, just making some assumptions based on the Ork codex, special characters that manipulate the FOC might be going the way of the dodo bird, in favor of special Formations and Unbound. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if Logan gets a special all-Wolf Guard Formation though. V If he is going to a LoW would that mean that we cant ever use him as HQ? Correct, if he becomes LoW, he becomes LoW. He won't be an HQ option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I havent seen the ork codex to make any assumption, my point merely was that in his current format in 5th & 6th edition, he allowed for the creation of a legal, all Wolf Guard army. (Battleforged) In 7th we can take unbound armies which are all Wolf Guard should we so wish without the need to take Logan, I just wondered IF he became a Lord of War and to justify him becoming a Lord of War, is it because of his ability to make all Wolf Guard armies battle forged? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 In 7th we can take unbound armies which are all Wolf Guard should we so wish without the need to take Logan, I just wondered IF he became a Lord of War and to justify him becoming a Lord of War, is it because of his ability to make all Wolf Guard armies battle forged? That would make slightly more sense than what I'm expecting, as Ghazkull lost the Warboss ability to take some Nobz as troops (as did Warbosses), gained nothing and his points cost didn't massively change (still between 200 and 250). So the best we're likely to see imo is Logan getting the Chapter Master 4W, but that'll be it. Other Chapter Masters (or just the 200+ point special characters) will probably have to wait until their army gets a dex to be 'upgraded' to LoW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Logan might be out of stock (When I checked a minute ago he wasn't, but who knows. Maybe he's just out of stock in some regions), but that probably just means they need to do another run of his model. The battleforce disappearing is significant, though. I'd agree that it looks like we'll be getting our own boxed set of some kind similar to the IG defense forces or SM Strikeforce. On HQs becoming Lords of War: The problem is that these HQs are not competitive with other Lords of War- Escalation games are designed to be ~2.5k games with each side having their own lord of war. With cheapo lords of war, this becomes a problem a) because one army ends up taking up a lot of time due to extra models, whereas an ordinary escalation game is basically a normal game with one jumbo model to each side (Unless you took a baneblade, but then, you're playing guard and everything in the guard codex takes up a lot of time, being a horde army, after all), and b) The best counter to another lord of war is your own one. And Logan and Ghazgkull can't do that. A suped up Bjorn might, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3742756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I just checked GWs website, LG is still available for purchase online and is not in the 'while supplies last' category.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3743000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
logun Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 unavailable here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293618-logan-grimnar/#findComment-3743043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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