Sons of Horus Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I don't know what it is exactly but the new novel releases definitely don't make me feel the same as they used to. I think my interest started to decline when they changed the book format (large hardcover). I honestly don't like the way BL is handling the HH series. Too much limited ed content. Too many anothologies and audio books. Just give us novels <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3744850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I agree with that, i think for me i need something BIG to happen. I feel like recently there has been alot of filler books. It will just be near impossible to top the beginning of the series. With introductions of primarchs and the whole Istvann thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3744860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraCaptain Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I personally feel it has lessened in excitement but not appeal. While the 3 first books bought us 12 legions, the next 3 will contain many less. I enjoy the loyalist more, and while I can't disagree with inclusion of imperial army, the fact that ultramarines, blood angels and dark angels seem to be years out, has a feel of scraping the butter on a lot of bread now. That is where exitement fall, because I won't buy the next few books probably, also because I'd rather wait and buy a complete legion book that sums it all up after each trilogy. The appeal is still there, however. I started my Iron Warriors to get something going, and I enjoy that i can take my time doing them - while my main legions gets released later. I think the salamander terminators are bad, and that's just how some legion units turn out. All I can do is cross my fingers it won't happen to the legions I play myself, because not everything can be top notch quality. What I would have done myself is release MK II, III, IV shoulder pads for all legions and etched brass, so everyone could start doing their legion. And I would expect the remaining (or close to) 8 legions in the next trilogy, if it were to be excited. But it is not a bad thing to wait, it is just less interesting ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3744918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 What I would have done myself is release MK II, III, IV shoulder pads for all legions and etched brass, so everyone could start doing their legion. And I would expect the remaining (or close to) 8 legions in the next trilogy, if it were to be excited. But it is not a bad thing to wait, it is just less interesting Have to be pedantic here, but there's 6 Legions left to do, Wolves, BAs, DAs, Scars, Ultras, and 1K Sons. I rather doubt FW will give us anything on II or XI. A bit more on topic, I get the feeling. I get the impression (being rather behind) the novels are in danger of becoming a bit too much like saturday morning cartoon primarch fights, where both sides walk away declaring 'I'll get you next time!!!'. To my mind, the primarch's should've met in combat very rarely, and it been both a special event and brutally decisive. As far as FW goes, the principal thing that bother me is the uneven treatment, which the procrastination makes worse. But then I'm of the opinion that Prospero (then a Calth/Signus double, then the DAs and Scars) should be next, and if they think it will taker longer, let it take longer, but don't divert resources to other books in the meantime, exacerbating the delay. I've seen it said that SoH/DG will be getting yet more stuff and attention in Conquest. This sticks in my craw a tad when a third of the Legions haven't had so much as a shoulder pad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3744971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraCaptain Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Haha classic, i forgot 2 missing. ;) But the point is just that it's hard to start without the basics. I completely agree with both of your points, that the books starts to be driven by horus heresy sales. Also, SoH has gotten more love than anyone, and yet they release more. While some legions remain with flawed rules that does not represent them properly, and counter-synergy with eachother, bordering on feeling quickly made to fill the fluff of the trilogy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I've lost most of my interest in the black library books. I started Vengeful Spirit but really couldn't be bother to finish. But the FW stuff? Still loving it. I seem to be more interested in the 'history books' of the heresy rather than live action. I'm just trying to get back into painting and modelling at the moment. I've focusing on transferring all the FW HH stuff to a desktop wiki so I don't wreck the beautiful creations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Warder Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 In my current gaming group the HH is strong and growing, we play in a regular GW store but the kicker is only painted models can be used and they are playing a lot of tournaments/games, well planned and in the future (they have a big one scheduled to start in the new year and sign up is already open). when we play a game our tables always get allot of attention and more people join the crew each week, we have about 10 regular players and a healthy mix of both traitor and loyalist as well as a couple of Mechanicum armies (one dude drives like 100 miles to play in the bigger events). As far as my excitement about the HH it hasn't changed and I am looking forward to seeing some Templars or Wardens. If anything the HH has killed my Drive for 40k and I now have a large army I need to sell on and buy more Legion forces. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 I agree with that, i think for me i need something BIG to happen. I feel like recently there has been alot of filler books. It will just be near impossible to top the beginning of the series. With introductions of primarchs and the whole Istvann thing. This is spot on about what I'm feeling, I can't stand bolter porn or the constant rewriting of already establishe parts, I understand the difficulty with multiple authors but I haven't been excited since betrayer. Now I'm wondering well now what's angron doing. Angel exterminatus got me in love with iron warriors but now I'm left wondering where the hell is The Lord of iron. I don't care for fulgrim and the shattered legions unless it's something apart from every tom duck and Harry utilising anger and better skill to avenge his fallen comrades. Then we get to the models, I personally can find no fault with the range, yet I dream of a suprise here's a consul upgrade pack or mkii variant armour for use in honour guard or characters. Maybe an accessory pack with capes like 3rd party providers do but for our legion characters. I'm just feeling that the potential is being diverted from where I saw the heresy going. I don't want the end game yet but I do want to see more of the idea of "nothing is as you thought" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I know the feeling, Jasp. I ran into the same thing a few months back. It just took finally finding the direction I want my forces to go to kick me back into the gear. I've seen you take on a couple projects, and they're all great. I'd hate to see you stop, but maybe a re-evaluation is in order. Find out what about the game/hobby is doing it for you, and pursue it ruthlessly. For me, it was a love of tanks, and the desire you have an armored company. It's been good fuel for the hobby fire. Failing that, take a break man - come back fresh when a release moves you. As far as the universe goes, I just finished 'Unremembered Empire', and it felt like we were going to be moving onto the next act. I'm hoping Scars and Vengeful Spirit don't prove that feeling wrong. If they fail me, 'Master of Mankind' will jump start the mojo again for me. A D-B never fails to deliver. No pressure, buddy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrk Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'm with WLK on the RG special rules being less useful than the other legions (not sure what I expected after the RG CT). It kind of killed it a little bit for me but also I don't really want to even start my army without RG shoulder pads because I already have too many models without a shoulder pad. The leaks definitely do away with a good amount of the excitement because we know what's coming (and what's most likely not coming) Edit: I am however excited to see Custodes in the Wolf/Sons book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'am still pumped even if I have'nt did any models yet I'am going to wait for Thousand Sons.The books lately are boring or corny MO, but I read anyway for the hell of it . Wished they would come out with more chapter related stuff more often instead of drips an drabs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Forge World's release schedule is a little... off to me. We get these few big events throughout the year where a lot of information and WIPs get released. Then we are starved but for the few random releases thrust upon us unexpectedly. I would be much happier if FW had a tentative schedule. Not when to release what exactly, but just an idea - for example, Ultramarines in Q4 2015. That way, people who are planning to build Legions that have not been released to can plan ahead. Face it - this hobby involves lots of expensive resin cocaine. Some people need to save up in order to buy what they want. As for the Black Library... The main novels have been in general good. However I get annoyed by all these little audio dramas, short story anthologies, etc. And for the love of the Emperor, please, please release all the main HH novels in hardback format. I want my collection. As for regular GW stuff... I have been spoiled by FW quality. I might pick up a few Tyranids in the future, but that would be it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 As far as FW goes, the principal thing that bother me is the uneven treatment, which the procrastination makes worse. But then I'm of the opinion that Prospero (then a Calth/Signus double, then the DAs and Scars) should be next, and if they think it will taker longer, let it take longer, but don't divert resources to other books in the meantime, exacerbating the delay. I've seen it said that SoH/DG will be getting yet more stuff and attention in Conquest. This sticks in my craw a tad when a third of the Legions haven't had so much as a shoulder pad. Bearclaw hit the nail on the head for me. I know what your saying Jaspcat and its a position iv personally been in for id say around a year or so. Right between Betrayal and Massacre i was so pumped with what Forgeworld were going to dish out in their future books, legion specific units, Sholder Pads and not to mention the Primarchs themselves, but since then my luster diminished as the wait for my legions turn in the spot light seemed further and further away. But being a Son of the Angel you can imagine my frustration (and dare I say it Rage) when I saw the list of Legions involved in Book 4...not a single new legion, not one... THIS is killing my buzz, the fact that not only are the books fantastic but that i must wait what seems like an Eternity to see anything regarding my brothers in red. This also goes for 7th edition (nothing but half heard rumours) and a lack of novels both 40k and 30k (currently sinking my teeth into Death of Integrity - so far amazing). First world problems I know, but I just need something exciting to happen while I wait. To me it feels like christmas morning watching all my brothers open their awesome shiny presents and I cant even see one for myself under the tree :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Maybe, but when the Angels do get covered, you'll forget all about this conversation, and make your bank account disappear.... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Couldnt be more right Heathens ;) Its just the long road their thats the killer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 No road worth traveling is short, nor straight. Plus, you jerks already got some cool kits with unique symbols and weapons, covered in blood drop jewels and feathery wings. The poor Sallies haven't gotten this kinda treatment ever. Get to the back of the line. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Touche Heathens, touche indeed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 The enthusiasm hasnt died out much here (Canberra) as far as I can tell, there are more and more players starting to build the armies. I think the excitement has been diluted somewhat by the influx of people in the forums and suchlike. For example twelve months ago most of the people knew the majority of others who were already into the format and collecting and each time someone new came along they would get a shower of welcomes and 'join the heresy'. The size of the interested crowd is now at a level where it is no longer personal and feels a little disconnected from what it was 12 months ago, but that is to be expected, being on the ground floor can only last so long, especially in a popular format which has sky rocketed. I think the next step to maintain the excitement is to begin the player input. A huge portion of the people have been drawn to the format because of the fluff and the atmosphere, that is what will be needed in order to keep those people excited and interested. However Forge World alone will struggle to do this. We are trying our darndest to get a regular event series going in Australia with five major states running two major events through the year (10 major events), with each event having full fluff and background and progressing an ongoing campaign. The local groups can then tap into these major events and build off the fluff and stories that are created to help run their own smaller events and campaigns. But I think the major element which will be needed is to have the information/stories/fluff published so people can read and follow it. I was in a similar place twelve to eighteen months ago with regular 40K and my move into Apoc. We had a tiny following and it was a little disheartening but I was keen to try and make that format a commonplace event. We have grown from half a dozen regular players to a player pool of over 40 now, with the last few months capping out at 30 people at the events. I plan on trying to do the same thing with 30K next year. Its easy to type this and I am grateful to my partner for allowing me to dedicate so much time and resources into such an endeavour, but what I am trying to convey is that it can happen, but often it takes a concerted effort from one or more people to wind the community up a little and get them going, once they are going, consistency is the MAJOR key, having a regular event, be it once a month, twice a month, once every months, just make it regular. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 The enthusiasm hasnt died out much here (Canberra) as far as I can tell, there are more and more players starting to build the armies. I think the excitement has been diluted somewhat by the influx of people in the forums and suchlike. For example twelve months ago most of the people knew the majority of others who were already into the format and collecting and each time someone new came along they would get a shower of welcomes and 'join the heresy'. The size of the interested crowd is now at a level where it is no longer personal and feels a little disconnected from what it was 12 months ago, but that is to be expected, being on the ground floor can only last so long, especially in a popular format which has sky rocketed This is it I think I feel that the brotherhood has left, which in turn the banter and excitement has dropped which has made the releases and whatnot just disappear. I'm not even excited at the new LE Novell yet 12 months ago a 30page topic would be going on what we expect or hope and a massive debate leading to WE vs SW. It's just so quiet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraCaptain Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I think it started last GD uk when they announcd there to be 30+ books. That is demotivation right there. 15-20 years is what most people read, through atleast 4 editions of rules, with rewrites of previous books and summary tomes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Well I'm pleased to announce that I have spread the heresy infection at my flgs. All my buddies are proxying lists to see what models they need to buy. And despite the fact I haven't posted pictures all summer, I have been on a painting spree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I dunno, motivation waxes and wanes, just depends. I just finished up ETL and am still thinking about what to do next. I think it all just comes and goes, don't worry I am sure it will come back and hit you with a vengeance! BTW heathens, you got mail! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongGone Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I think it started last GD uk when they announcd there to be 30+ books. That is demotivation right there. 15-20 years is what most people read, through atleast 4 editions of rules, with rewrites of previous books and summary tomes. Wait, wait. They're gonna do 30+ FW books for the HH?!? I can't imagine the reasoning behind that... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I think it started last GD uk when they announcd there to be 30+ books. That is demotivation right there. 15-20 years is what most people read, through atleast 4 editions of rules, with rewrites of previous books and summary tomes. Wait, wait. They're gonna do 30+ FW books for the HH?!? I can't imagine the reasoning behind that... Making more money than you can shake a stick at? That'd be my guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Now see, i hear 30 hh books and get excited. What a marvellous library that will make. And the fact that the books are released so far apart means somebody in my low financial situation is going to be able to afford every. Single. One. I dont want this heresy project to be rushed. I want it to last for years. I mean, as soon as everythings released then thats it. No more shinies. Im hqppy to sit back, relax, and savour each publication fw release. You cant rush a good thing, and I for one am glad that foreworld arent in a rush. Enjoy it while it lasts peeps, coz itll be finished one day, and I know most of you dont really want that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/293719-is-it-just-me-or/page/2/#findComment-3745618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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