Fire Golem Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Now, I think I've pretty much settled on my legions now. I think I'm gonna do Raven Guard, and Iron Warriors. However, I'd like to do a small contingent of Alpha Legion with my IW, but I can't think if any reason for them to be together. I know there was the drop site massacre, but after that, what reason would there be for the two legions to stick together? Similarly, the Raven Guard weren't at the siege of terra were they? Is there any reason in the fluff for a small Imperial Fists force to be with the RG? I'm loving IW and IF atm, mainly after seeing the hugely inspiring 'Day the Palace Fell' thread, and I love RG and AL too, and I'm finding it hard to pick two, so I thought why not all 4... (Not doing any more models than I would or spending any more money, just a small IF and AL force allied to the other 2 legions) but I'm not creative enough to have come up with any fluff reasons, so some help would be appreciated. Thank you :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 The Raven Guard Legion was not at the Siege of Terra, but there is nothing to say a small detachment might not have made it back. They may have been Terrans who decided to return to Terra instead of linking up with the others on Deliverance. I think when it comes to it, all Legions will be present at the end, even if it's just one or two marines from a legion. It's a big universe so you could easily argue that some Imperial Fists were not able to return to Terra, or link up with the retribution fleet, but joined with the RG. Or maybe they are some of Guilimans forces. The Alpha Legion could have been attached to the Iron Warriors during the GC and remained. Maybe the Iron Warriors needed reinforcements and the Alpha Legion answered the call of their 'allies'. Or maybe Horus just commanded that those two companies fight together for a certain objective. He is the Warmaster after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Thanks for the suggestions, I like the idea that the Imperial Fists are a force not present on terra that linked up with the Raven Guard, maybe they were trying to reach terra? Could also get some White Scars in there later on ;) What do you mean by Guilimans forces, did he have some IF with him? And maybe for the IW and AL, Horus put them together to keep a better eye on them, as he didn't overly trust either legion did he? I know he didn't trust the AL, and the IW disdain for the other legions was fairly obvious... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I don't want to spoil Unremembered Empire for you, but there is a convergence of loyalist marines in the Ultramarines Kingdoms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 That's on my to read list, is it any good? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleph Null Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Same with Deliverence lost (don't want to spoil) but there's a small force of Fists that end up with the Raven guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 That's on my to read list, is it any good? I enjoyed it, not the best, not the worst. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Ah okay, sounds like there's plenty of precedent in the fluff out there then :) I need to actually finish Deliverance Lost. I've started it about 3 times now and just can't get into it properly -.- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraCaptain Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 You can do any force and ally Alpha Legion, IW don't nessecarily need to know they are there in the first place. There is always some weird plot by alpharius ;) IF visits raven guards in one of the book, and stick around, so very doable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 You can do any force and ally Alpha Legion, IW don't nessecarily need to know they are there in the first place. There is always some weird plot by alpharius ;) IF visits raven guards in one of the book, and stick around, so very doable. I did think about that, but then I'd just be painting more IW and saying they're AL, which kinda defeats the point haha. I wanna do them for a bit of variation, so in their blue/green colours. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 the HH FW book Betrayal talks about the RG when Corax took over, how certain elements (mostly Terran's who's loyalty may have been to Horus or past actions didnt mesh with his ideas for the Legion) were sent out into the dark of the Imperium, or attached to long range explorer fleets. There is nothing to say that these discarded elements didnt return to Terra instead to Deliverance, if/when they learned of the Heresy. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Yeah that could work, although I'd like my RG to be loyalists, and loyal to Corax and the general theme and principles of the legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Lucian Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 A co-op between AL and IW sounds very interesting, from a generals point of view. Alpha Legionaries race ahead of the main army, infiltrating potential worlds and deliver vital information back to the mail fleet.Should the world not surrender, then the IW knows how to win the war before any shots are fired. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Yeah I think their contrasting methods would probably work quite well together, destroying locations from without and within. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3751584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Could be a switch-up of the AL attacking the IW at Paramar in HH3, that there have been select detachments from AL/IW to take over a Mechanicum facility due to necessity of AL infiltrators to unlock a key defence element while IW provide the force. Then can develop fluff that the Warsmith wants to secure a certain artefact, elevate his status in the Legion, AL help though have their own reason for the Warsmith to rise... As for the loyalists, could be that the RG are escapees from Isstvan who meet up with some IG ships, scattered at Phall. They end up in the same system the AL/IW have attacked, then go on "crusade" to hunt them down Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3752204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 As for the loyalists, could be that the RG are escapees from Isstvan who meet up with some IG ships, scattered at Phall. They end up in the same system the AL/IW have attacked, then go on "crusade" to hunt them down Yeah I like this :) think I'm gonna go with something like this for the loyalists. I need to get Extermination and read the stuff about Phall and Paramar. Just realised it's worked out quite well that the legions I'm planning on doing are in the same book :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3752325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 The RG force I am on the fence with is a combined force of Isstvan survivors and a Predator Nomad fleet. The Pred fleet hears of the Massacre, and splits in half. Half side with Horus, saying that if he rebelled he'd have a good reason and things were better under him. The loyalists are divided between loyalty to Corax and the Legion vs loyalty to the Emperor himself and the great crusade. After a vicious fight and purge of the Horus-ites, the loyalists are split between going to Terra and going to Deliverance. An agreement is made to go to Isstvan and verify the information received, where they find a death world and are fired upon by the Traitor remnants left behind. After breaking the traitors, they go to the battlefield itself where a small group of survivors are left, having missed the extraction of the Legion. thats what I got at the moment. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3752372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 I think I'm gonna go with a force of RG and IF made up of the remnants of Istvaan and Phall, en route to Terra (and maybe later on add some White Scars... I've just finished Scars :D ) And the IW/AL have been made to fight together by Horus. Unless I think of something better/someone comes up with something better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3753026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share Posted July 26, 2014 Ooh I just thought of something; A squad in my RG with more tribal patterns, and their Darkwing Storm Eagle has a shark mouth painted on it; proto Carcharadons ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3756657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Ooh I just thought of something; A squad in my RG with more tribal patterns, and their Darkwing Storm Eagle has a shark mouth painted on it; proto Carcharadons Who was it? The Bloody Crow I think? The special RG character who was a serial killer, you can use him as an inspiration for the darker aspect. Another thing I'd recommend is asking Heathens about his Skinwalkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3756661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share Posted July 26, 2014 Ooh I just thought of something;A squad in my RG with more tribal patterns, and their Darkwing Storm Eagle has a shark mouth painted on it; proto Carcharadons ;)Who was it? The Bloody Crow I think? The special RG character who was a serial killer, you can use him as an inspiration for the darker aspect. Another thing I'd recommend is asking Heathens about his Skinwalkers. I'm liking this idea now. I still want them to be loyalists though, but darker. And I saw Heathens Skinwalkers thing in the other thread, and the photo creeped me out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3756671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 It's okay, the Bloody Crow is a Loyalist! Strangely enough....... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3756684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share Posted July 26, 2014 Is he in Extermination? I thought traitor when you first said haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3756689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Is he in Extermination? I thought traitor when you first said hahaYep, he's one of the RG special characters in the third book. A brief look at him is that he was a serial killer in Lycaeus society and when Corax was launching his revolution, the killer was offered a pardon in return for his participation. He would exist as a pariah within the Legion being shunned by most, but at the Massacre, his previous history would serve well in helping the RG survive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3756707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share Posted July 26, 2014 Oh wow so he survived right up til then? I thought he might have been one of the ones 'purged' from the legion (the horus loyal ones) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294035-legion-fluff-help/#findComment-3756716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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