knife&fork Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 I mean they are saying this thing is a flyer. The least they could do is to put some wings on it instead of dog ears. Shame because I kinda got excited when I heard the news. Oh well. It has a beefy grav plate under the fuselage. The wings are only there as control surfaces, not to provide lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 It uses grav, so is technically not a flyer. For as we BA know, only angels may fly.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 So it's a skimmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 So it's a skimmer? Yeah, like the Caestus. It just packs enough thrust to move as a flyer on the table top. EDIT: It also looks like there's additional thrusters in the rear behind the grav plate. So as far as the imperial kits go it looks like the most airworthy one to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 The Caestus is Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport, Tank*). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 The Caestus is Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport, Tank*). Every vehicle is a vehicle? Both the Caestus and Stormclaw are technically flyers in the game, but neither of them are craft design for atmospheric flight like a traditional, real world airplane. They are both examples of skimmers with beefy engines to provide forward thrust. From a fluff perspective this makes sense as Imperial (space marines in particular) forces are expected to fight in a number of different conditions. Having craft that rely on lift/thrust ratios that work in earth-type atmospheres would make them unusable elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I copied out it's unit type. A Land Speeder is Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer) and I was wondering if these new fliers were actually skimmers or not. Would be very interesting if they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 I copied out it's unit type. A Land Speeder is Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer) and I was wondering if these new fliers were actually skimmers or not. Would be very interesting if they were. They can hover just like all the other SM flyers. Stormwolf - Fast Attack - Points = Land Raider minus 35 BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport) Wargear: Twin-linked helfrost cannon Twin-linked lascannon Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20pts Ceramite Plating Special Rules: Assault Vehicle Power of the Machine Spirit Transport: Transport Capacity - sixteen models Fire Points - none Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support - Points = Land Raider minus 30 BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport) Wargear: Helfrost destructor Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20 pts Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon for 15 pts Ceramite Plating Special Rules: Power of the Machine Spirit Transport: Transport Capacity - six models Fire Points - none Access Points - One at rear of the hull Helfrost cannon dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost Helfrost destructor dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn4k30r Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 haha Knife with that stats, it looks a lot or maybe A WAY Better! in my eyes! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 Pretty much a slightly more expensive storm raven, without the dread grapple but better weapon options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milkman Of Baal Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Wow, when did the pups of fenris get vipers from battlestar galactica? Does that mean well get an X wing or some other orignial copied idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Admetus Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 You missed one of the special rules: Eyeblight - Opponents may only ever fire snap-shots at a Stormwolf or Stormfang, as it is simply so hideous that nobody is willing to look at it for long enough to aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushtarador Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 That loadout looks quite good 0o especially the 2 twin-linked multimeltas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 It's ugly as sin but I still like it. Very "Viking barge"-y. A little distraught that it has more potential offensive capability than storm ravens AND a slightly higher troop capacity. I am guessing the missiles are one shot only though. Wonder if they will make storm raven hurricane bolters free upgrades in response when our time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Im contemplating one for my Sable Claws - there black and hanging blue and yellow shields from the side would break it up some. I like the model, but I love the rules. I run 4 Astartes forces regularly (BA, CSM, SW and IH) and enjoy BA the most by far, this longboat is bumping the SW up to number 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 So screen shots around the tube show that the sky hammer missiles are continuous use while the storm strike missiles are one shot. Just FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 Of course, it's the exact same weapons you have on the storm talon and storm raven respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mapple Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 There's no "Skies of Blood" or other jump out option. That's interesting. And the Stormraven is an assault vehicle, but from ALL four access ports. So with a Stormraven you can hover to turn and shoot something, and have guys disembark/assault out a completely different direction, whereas both versions of the Wolf Flyer only have 1 disembarkation location, so you're going to have to shoot in one direction and disembark in one direction (fore or aft). Really limits its maneuverability, in my eyes. But having a twin-linked multi-melta on a flyer is the thing I use the Stormraven for more than anything else. That "never" missing 2d6 penetrating 60% of the time AP1 shot is key. I run 2 Stormravens all the time, and usually only put passengers in 1 of them. I'd easily run this flyer if available as my 2nd flyer and use it as a gun boat. I like to alternatingly hover the Stormravens or flyers, so the hovering one goes "behind" the zooming one if they come on different turns, that way one is only being snap shotted and providing cover for the 2nd who shoots to full effect since they don't need to jink. This Wolf flyer should be good for those purposes of letting my Stormraven hover to get guys out to assault around the Wolf flyer, which is still zooming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 When you disembark from a flyer you can use the whole base as a disembark point. I actually never use the door itself to measure, after all it's several inches above the table :)...Do you usually measure from the doors or ramp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Will have to check 7th ed rules but I think with fliers you measure from the base, pretty sure. Which would offset its single disembarkation point, but still would not make it preferable as a gunship to the fire raptor IMHO. As a transport I still think the caestus pips it on AV and invul and personally the large blast twin-linked melta which suits the 'ignore cover' legend of glory very well. Would probably go for it in non-forgeworld games though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Admetus Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Yeah, fliers measure from the base. Base is ignored in all but two cases, assaulting (in which case you can make it to contact with either the base or the hull) or embarking/disembarking, which treats the base as the access point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leksington Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Also this thing, stolen off the internets; http://i.imgur.com/mE5DnSW.jpg In a similar vein: http://i.imgur.com/QSR9Dgc.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mapple Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Ok. I guess I just thought, what with them taking the time to say access points are in some directional portion of the model, I should measure from that directional portion of the base when disembarking. It didn't matter for the Stormraven, but for Valkyries, this new Wolf flyer, etc., it might. Beardys the word! ;)Still, the gunboat is much more interesting to me since passengers can jump out during the movement phase if needed in a Stormraven, Valkyrie, etc., to avoid interceptor fire and have more than 1 unit on the table to be shot at. With 6 transport capacity anyways, that's a HQ and a honor guard, or 5 man veteran squad of some kind - but not the primary use of the vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 The key is assault vehicle. Jumping from the raven through skies of blood denies the assault. In the case of the gunboat, which is not an assault vehicle, having to go down to skimmer to drop its cargo is a very bad deal. The storm wolf doesn't trade guns for capacity, it trades guns for capacity AND an assault ramp, which can be a demolishing gun, depending on what's inside of the ship. However if your intention is not assaulting from it, if you're using it mostly for shooting and dropping a cheap unit on an objective, the gunboat is a lot better definitely. It'd be nice to have the same option with a raven, I use it as a gunboat most of the time meaning I'm paying extra for stuff I don't use. If I could swap the transport option for more guns, I'd do it in plenty of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I see a wolf ship and i want to paint it red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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