BassWave Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I love the idea of recon marines with carapace armor, but I don't know where to use them most effectively. I'm thinking either use them as snipers for harassment, or infiltrate them in a position where they can assault at the right moment. Anybody with any experience with recon marines have any tips? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 As an aside, would their usage be very much different from 40k Scouts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-3754627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Well, with IF Legion Astartes rules, any boltgun or boltgun component firing units get +1 to BS, which I think is better in most situations than rerolling 1's to hit. Especially with units that already start with BS 5, which brings it up to 6, then add in a Master of Signal for BS 7 (if its possible) and just wreck face with bolters. Use them as an Alpha Strike unit and just evaporate squads. In this instance, Recon Marines + MoS are essentially super Scouts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-3754650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 That's great for imperial fists, but I'd like a more general discussion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-3754927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Yeah I know, just putting options out there. I think it stands to reason that, in the most general sense, you'd use them just like 40k scouts since thats more or less what they're equipped for, they just have a better stat line. Other than the above IF tactic of using them as uber alpha strikers, they're just better scouts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-3755169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Keep in mind that unless you drop the carapace armour off them, they are basically a Tact squad stat wise, but with better equipment. I have had opponents treat them like Scouts and assault them and bounce quite soundly. They perform the roles of 40K scouts but are significantly more robust and accurate. Even throwing Sniper Rifles on a good chunk (if not all) of them, they can still hold their own in a fight and even be used offensively in a pinch, with Melta Bombs they become even more valuable for that role. Be careful however that you dont pour too many points into them, they can really become an expensive unit VERY quickly. I really enjoy fielding them, they are close to my favourite unit along with the Breachers, but then my focus on gameplay is often on the looks and fluff side of things rather than their points effectiveness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-3755386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I think with sniper rifles and on a forward objective they would do just fine. Don't forget their shroud bombs rule. They count as defensive grenades and force the enemy unit to make a leadership check to even be able to assault Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-3755810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I keep 10 of them as a backfield holding unit and partner them with a Master of Signal. Most turns they'll be firing at bs5, hitting 8/9 times and this way they can act as decent interceptors for deepstriking units. They aren't cheap at the price of a landraider when 10 are fully kitted with Snipers, but when they are hitting on a 2+ they can quickly cause some damage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-3757459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 The sniper rifles are grossly overcosted :/ Im a massive fan of Astartes Shotguns though :DMy Iron Warriors field a squad of 5 to have an outflanking vox and some backfield melta bomb fun :) Great for mopping up damaged support units too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-3757553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Yeah, the Sniper Rifles are indeed super expensive :-( The shotguns don't do anything for me, however. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-3757557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I was looking at getting a squad with shotguns for my IW - gotta love shotguns :P against marines they aren't any worse than bolters and you can assault with them (unless you use the IW Rite of War). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-3762524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Ananta Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 I was considering this question recently, and for lower points games I can see several uses for a 5 man squad. Outflank with acute senses is a very high chance to get them into a useful position - with the scarcity of scoring units this could be handy. In this case perhaps melta bombs would be handy, or a combi/power weapon on the Sergeant if you have the points? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4434461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I would wait a month to see if recon squads are made to be worth taking in the new book. The fact that their one niche as a small unit with meltabombs may well be obliterated once GW's FAQ goes official, so they need something else. Here's hoping FW adds pinning back to sniper rifles or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4434727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Ananta Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 The other reason I'm considering them is, of course, the HH6 Shadow Wars campaign system and the Vanguard missions that precede the main missions. One squad of up to 200 points of infantry to play the Vanguard mission, and survivors can roll into the main game at no cost. This gives your recon squad potential to be a more or less free outflanking, acute sensing, scoring unit.Ok, it's a niche, but it's certainly piqued my interest. Along with the Victory is Vengeance campaign where all those special rules can come in very handy indeed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4435097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
defl0 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I wrote my take on then a little while back. They have melta bombs and infiltrate. The only other nice perk is the nuncio vox option if you are running deepstrikers. I don't think you need to think to much deeper than that unless you are using the trial 40k faqs. http://www.petehappens.com/2015/04/raven-guard-30k-legio-reconnaissance.html?m=1 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4435145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 I was thinking about using them as skirmishers (shotguns & MB), but need the community advice. Would be better 2x5 man sqd. or 1x10 man sqd? Also, recon armour is worth it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4435179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 They are just very expensive in terms of upgrades. Hopefully they'll get Camo Cloaks included and snipers a cheaper option in the new book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4435632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Ananta Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 camo is 2 ppm in 40k, rifles are 1 ppm. hadnt even considered that! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4435772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 I will never understand why they took pinning away from sniper rifles. Rending sure, but pinning makes all the sense. In a 30k setting it would actually be effective enough to be worth 5 per rifle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4436761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRIBUN Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I would like to take 2*5 in recon armour and chamelion. One sniper squad and one meltabomb squad. Useful, opinions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4653610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Pretend they are Seekers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4653640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemePaul Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 They are useful for a Blood Angels day of Revalation army. I take 2 units of 5 with an artificer Sgt and a Nucio Vox. They help ensure my assault marines end up where I want them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4653694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Hmmm ... Are these going to be useful for SW's? I'm still trying to get my head around 30k units and what's what. I've ended up with 10 Kromlech shotguns I'd originally planned on using for DW duty but that's gone down the toilet thanks to the nerfing FAQ DW got. So I'm now thinking Recon Marines for my SW legion force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4653900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I did 5 with boltguns and plan to use them as a forward mobile nuncio-vox for barrage and DS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4653980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I'm using 3 units of them in my LRC lists, 2 small units for sniper duties and 1 bigger unit (9-10 depending if I attach a character) with just Pistol / CCW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294179-what-to-do-with-recon-marines/#findComment-4653990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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