Dark_Apostle_XVII Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 As you all know, I have been building my Traitor Guard force up over the past year since I have been a part of the B&C as well gaining many new editions, either through the ETL or just for side projects. I was hoping I could present to you all here a full list of everything I now own to perhaps get some advice on what further additions are needed, if any, and perhaps a few mock up lists from what I have for 500, 1000 and 1500 points. Thanks guys, this is what I now have. I'll include the loadout they were built with but some extras can be added. Such as tank Camo netting - it has been built on but can be scrapped to save points. HQ: Pask in Vanquisher with Hull Lascannon and Dozer Blade. Tank Commander (can be used as normal tank also) in Eradicator with Hull and Sponson Heavy Bolters and Dozer Blade. Company Command Squad with 2 Plasma Guns, Medic, Vox. Can add Nork and/or Master of the Ordnance or Officer of the Fleet (can count as one or the other). Lord Commissar. 2 Commissars. Priest. Troops: Infantry Platoon Platoon Command Squad with medic, Vox and 2 Flamers. 3 infantry squads all have Vox and flamer. 2 have heavy bolter and 1 had an autocannon. 20 Conscripts. Lascannon HWT. Veteran Squad with carapace armour, Vox and 3 plasma guns. Elites: 5 Bullgryns with power mauls and brute shields. Fast Attack: 3 Scout Sentinels with Heavy Flamers. Bane Wolf Valkyrie with multiple rocket pods. Heavy Support: 2 x Leman Russ Battle Tanks with Hull and Sponson Heavy Bolters and Dozer Blade. Demolisher with Hull and Sponson Heavy Bolters. Wyvern. Basilisk. LoW: Imperial Knight Paladin Stormsword with 1 or 2 Sponson Pairs. And a final point of note as I'm sure it will come up - I don't use transports as I would rather use those points elsewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Might I suggest a Fortification? Aegis, Skyshield, Bastion, etc. (also doubles as anti-air with addition of Quad Gun). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3756850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Apostle_XVII Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share Posted July 26, 2014 Of course, and that just reminded me, I have a Chaos themed Aegis Defence Line with Quad Gun too. Thanks for that :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3756857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 I like the army you have. Sounds good to me. You thought about air support? either codex or forgeworld. Or plasma armoured ssentinels? Or going crazy and going full plasma executioner? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3756860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Apostle_XVII Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share Posted July 26, 2014 Never really used a flyer before. What would you recommend? I have a single Valkyrie but what else is good. Prefer codex to FW as I do not own any of the FW books. Never really thought about plasma sentinels either, do they work at low bs/low armour walkers? Would love an executioner though. With Pask in so I can switch between that and Vanquisher. Thanks :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3756865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Never really used a flyer before. What would you recommend? I have a single Valkyrie but what else is good. Prefer codex to FW as I do not own any of the FW books. Never really thought about plasma sentinels either, do they work at low bs/low armour walkers? Would love an executioner though. With Pask in so I can switch between that and Vanquisher. Thanks :) As for flyers I mix it up with valk and vendetta. The vendetta is a fill in for ranged anti armour and back up impact squad drop ie PCS or SWS with flamers or melta/demo. Valk tends to be a slightly more reliable way of dropping troops to the other side of the board than trying to get a chimera across. I love plasma sentinels, cheap and more armour 12 saturation for 50 points. Helps your other armour survive by forcing the opponant to make difficult decisions. I have recently been running 2 and a plasma executioner, having up to 7 blasts a turn is good. And if you roll a 1 now and then having a 4+ save is normally good enough to keep your hull points. Ask away if you want more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3756874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Apostle_XVII Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share Posted July 26, 2014 Liking the sound of the Sentinels and would love to get a couple more flyers in. It's just a shame they can't be dedicated transports as depending on the opponent, my fast attack could have a lot of competition if I added the plasma sentinels. Been considering and executioner for a while now (if only as I think it will look great all painted up) so I think this will be my next purchase. How would one field it? I hear as Pask is great but what tank works best paired with it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3756892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Also what about: Some Psykers. An Enginseer with some Servitors (Servoarm and Plasmagun). 5 Storm Troopers with Melta (to Deep Strike behind armor). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3756900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Liking the sound of the Sentinels and would love to get a couple more flyers in. It's just a shame they can't be dedicated transports as depending on the opponent, my fast attack could have a lot of competition if I added the plasma sentinels. Been considering and executioner for a while now (if only as I think it will look great all painted up) so I think this will be my next purchase. How would one field it? I hear as Pask is great but what tank works best paired with it? I use the executioner as a separate entity or as the second tank to pask because as long as he is the warlord, you get to re-roll the gets hot. I personally use Pask in a Vanquisher or a Punisher. As for other things, I use an Astropath for 25 points a steal to get invisibility if you have a lucky roll. Also remember because it is on one table you always get one + primary power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3757053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skabfang Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Been considering and executioner for a while now (if only as I think it will look great all painted up) so I think this will be my next purchase. How would one field it? I hear as Pask is great but what tank works best paired with it? I wouldn't waste Pask on anything with a template, you're effectively wasting his BS4. Put him in anything with a direct firing weapon setup, i.e. Punisher, Vanquisher, or Exterminator. In saying that, there is no choice imo. I love the Vanquisher. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3757069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Apostle_XVII Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 That makes more sense, and is my preferred option as I like the Pask I have already in a Vanquisher as that was what seemed to be the best choice for him reading through the options. His higher bs and re roll to hit basically means he hits most stuff when shooting and seems likely he will one shot most vehicles too. In that case, I'll still get an executioner but use it as either Pask's squadron tank or on it's own. Can split fire them anyway so if they are together it gets Pask's re roll to avoid gets hot while not being handicapped having to shot the same targets as him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3757114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skabfang Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I like the executioner as a wing man, it gets rerolls of gets hot which is beyond useful The Punisher is great too, rending on twenty shots with rerolls is great! Try them both Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3757116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Pask is in a Punisher with sponson Multi-Meltas and a Lascannon for me. Makes for a very versatile Monstrous Creature / Vehicle hunter, that can also chew up elite units like Terminators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3757158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skabfang Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Pask is in a Punisher with sponson Multi-Meltas and a Lascannon for me. Makes for a very versatile Monstrous Creature / Vehicle hunter, that can also chew up elite units like Terminators. I'm going to have to try that configuration, though I usually prefer to field specialised units Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3757172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I use that unit to react and fill gaps in what I need my army to do, I prefer specialised units, but if my dedicated AV14 hunters go down, a plan B is needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3757309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I don't want to state the obvious, but what do you want to add? That's the best reason there is :P I'd add a few more troopers and artillery so you can do an artillery company easily. Then you could add a few more Russes for a tank company and your army will be capable of almost anything. Otherwise others make fine suggestions :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3757985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoqqu Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Deathstrike. The doomsday device that splits every game in half, before and after launch. It doesn't win games but it adds tension and placing 10" blast anywhere on table that has enough power to hurt anything is just...pricey? Many think it's worthless one shot wonder but I personally never play a game without one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3758275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 If you play a Deathstrike, you are obliged by Da Rules to deliver any dialogue relating to it in a Bond Villain voice, preferably Goldfinger. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3758395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Bonus points if you steeple your fingers and say "just as planned" when your opponent moves any units :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3758776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Apostle_XVII Posted July 29, 2014 Author Share Posted July 29, 2014 Well for a start, I would love some Psykers as Kilofix suggested - don't know if they are any good, but I love the FW renegade models so I want those. Punisher sounds great, as does the executioner, was not too sure on those too to begin with but I can see the value in them, and they present some nice painting/modelling options - the green I paint the plasma will look good with the rust and red tanks and I reckon I could model a forgefiend autocannon onto the punisher instead of it's standard loadout. Death strike sounds fun, but has never appealed to me. I almost can't see my guys having such things but I'll have to give it some thought, even if I proxy it for a game as a test run. Other than that. I don't really know what to get next. That is why I opened it up to the forum. I started by building a core of infantry with a few tanks before getting sucked in with more tanks (because they are awesome! And worth loads for the ETL ) then anything else I liked the look of. I really would like rough riders, even had a great idea to combine krieg ones with renegade torsos but that is so expensive. Is the exterminator any good? Looking at the stats, it is my least favourite of all the tanks but I like how it looks and have some ideas for making it chaosy so am now considering it. Would be cool to have at least 1 of every variant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3758789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 The Exterminator is quite good, especially in Pask's hands. It would be cool to have one of each tank, so perhaps have you made your decision? At least for starters ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3758859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I would like to try the Exterminator, especially as it's dirt cheap, but I'd rather run Autocannon teams instead and take an Eradicator. Pask really should be in either a Vanquisher or a Punisher, IMO. I cannot overstate how much I like the Eradicator. It's ballin'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3758893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 One day all will use the Eradicator and my secret mission will be complete! You can't see but I'm steepling my fingers right now :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3758934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Apostle_XVII Posted July 29, 2014 Author Share Posted July 29, 2014 Hahaha!!! ;D painting an Eradicator for the ETL now. I think I have actually, got a bid on EBay for some Psykers and am looking online for some second hand unbuilt Demolisher boxes as I got my last lot like that and it was dirt cheap! Failing that though, I have been keeping an eye out for anything going cheap as if I can get a bargain I'm happy to add whatever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3759393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 The Eradicator won't let you down, so long as you're not facing nothing but Power Armour constantly, at least! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294270-where-to-take-my-army-from-here/#findComment-3759480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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