Ishagu Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 The new and exclusive Space Wolf weapon. Looks as though a few units will be able to take them. Not quite as spectacular as Grav from the C:SM, but performs very differently. The toughness test rule can be scary to wounded models... I personally think that giving different Imperial forces unique weapons is another great way to distinguish between the armies. I wonder if BA will get something unique as well... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Just to add, a Hellfrost weapon can be fired as a str8 ap1 shot, or a str6 ap3 blast. They both force a toughness test after wounding, and remove the target model as a casualty if it's failed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I love it. Nice to get something different after 25 years with mostly the same set of weapons and technology. I don't think the actual T-Test will often come into play, but I think it's just cool to have something different. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I agree. For the sheer fact that we get a little more chapter specific things is enough to get my sink, line, and hooker... er, you know what I mean. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Although I like that were getting a different weapon (as i didnt simply want to get grav), im still not 100% on helfrost. Maybe its the name, just sounds like they came up with it in about 2 minutes. The toughness test will be interesting to see if it ever works out. With the chance of you wounding a 2 wound model (so characters, probably hidden in squads, or MC, which are usually T6) being low, i doubt itd be something to plan a gameplan around..but may have some nervous opponents now and then. Doubtless it will annoy MC players, but its going to pretty much be a roll of a 6 to work. If we get long fangs with helfrost, may be a good way to kill MC, but with the short range on it i cant see it being that good. On a dread, plasma cannon has longer range and is ap2. Whether or not ill be using it instead of plasma cannons on dreads - will have to wait and see the costs in the new codex. You know what would be ace - wolf scouts with helfrost round sniper rifles Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Hellfrost (in combination with grav) will help make some the possibly undercosted MCs more likely to not be an auto take anymore, which is a good thing for the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 im still not 100% on helfrost. Maybe its the name, just sounds like they came up with it in about 2 minutes. I actually like the fact that they're emphasizing the 'elemental' side of the Chapter now, rather than the 'wolf' theme, it seems, with 7e. The 5e codex was wolf this and wolf that, with new Wolf Claws, etc. Heck, we even got a new special character named Canis ing Wolfborne. It seems like, and I hope this is true, that instead of more "wolfing up" everything in the 7e dex, that they're leveraging another aspect of the Wolves, which is that they hail from Deathworld, and are based on a continent that is the epitome of bitter cold wasteland. Their psychic powers are typically storm-based, and Njal is the "Stormcaller." I'd really love for them to emphasize more of the "Eye of the Storm," "Sky Warrior," and "Ice and Fire" aspects of the theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN_WEmNsrQI Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnavaer Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 im still not 100% on helfrost. Maybe its the name, just sounds like they came up with it in about 2 minutes. I actually like the fact that they're emphasizing the 'elemental' side of the Chapter now, rather than the 'wolf' theme, it seems, with 7e. The 5e codex was wolf this and wolf that, with new Wolf Claws, etc. Heck, we even got a new special character named Canis ing Wolfborne. It seems like, and I hope this is true, that instead of more "wolfing up" everything in the 7e dex, that they're leveraging another aspect of the Wolves, which is that they hail from Deathworld, and are based on a continent that is the epitome of bitter cold wasteland. Their psychic powers are typically storm-based, and Njal is the "Stormcaller." I'd really love for them to emphasize more of the "Eye of the Storm," "Sky Warrior," and "Ice and Fire" aspects of the theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN_WEmNsrQI Nice link Val ! Agree with this 100%, one of the things I have always liked most about the wolves is the close ties we have to Fenris and the fact that it shapes so much of the chapter, from the way that aspirants are chosen to the wargear and armour of the Rout and of course the Fang itself. I am really hoping that the details in the 'dex and the psychic powers in particular reflect this too, not too long until we find out anyway brothers, its going to feel like a long week or two though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I dont mind the fact its ice based at all, its more just the name, maybe the hel part...i mean we already had helldrakes and helbrutes. 'fang' seems to be the new 'wolf' this edition. Stormfang, murderfang, that new relic with fang in it (and we alreayd had frostfang and long fangs haha). i see your led zep and raise you grym dark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwg4WlulO1E Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Do people think we'll get the option of helfrost rounds? Ie. wolf guard with helfrost bolter rounds, or (the one i really hope we get), sniper scouts with helfrost rounds. Sniper rifles which swap rending and 4+ wounding, for S6 AP3 and helfrost, would be super killy, and put the scares up MC (and characters with precision shooting) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I don't think we'll see helfrost bolters. We might see some sort of helfrost infantry, but its unlikely we'll get our own sternguard. Codex Marines have to keep a few tricks, after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 true, bolters im not fussed about (although CSM keeps grav, centurions, hunters, stalkers) but helfrost snipers...now that would be interesting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brannrik Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I am also not realy sold on the helfrost cannon. For me it's basicly a plasmacannon with 24". Don't get me wrong I like to have some new tools to play with, but I don't think it is gonna change anything major in list composition or gameplay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 About the 'hel'-something. Hel is a goddes of death, and her brother was Fenrir and Jormungard:) so i like the name very much. Hel frost weapon= weapon of the gods. And yeah, it's something between plasma and melta. But it's good to have something different from other chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Like many have said, different is good and lets us be us in our own way, at the same time, it looks kind of solid to me(from some one who hasn't played in a while). I mean yea the Toughness thing might not come into play much but if you can drop something and your opponent just gets the look of o.o then it will be fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I like it because it's something else to make the SW different. Is it (and the naming of everything in general) kind of silly? Sure, but 40k is pretty ridiculous right from the get go. Crazy and over-the-top is kind of "printed on the tin." I think it would be extra awesome if we got a melee weapon that had the Helfrost rule. If all Frost Weapons had it that would be amazing, but I'm not holding my breath on that one. Maybe one of our relic weapons will have it. Or even the giant axe that the dred is holding. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I'm for it. Hoping we might get a TDA version for our WG like the DA have their PC. Doubt very much we'll get bolter/sniper versions. It's described as laser based tech. Just different focusing crystal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Generally speaking, if it would require an existing kit to require new parts, it's highly unlikely we'll get it. We might see an upgrade of some kind sort of like hellfire shells for heavy bolters on codex marine scouts, and I suppose we might see some sort of helfrost power in the rumored new discipline (a Helfrost bolters blessing seem unlikely to me, for some reason) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordKejl Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 In Norse mythology, Hel is a being who presides over a realm of the same name, where she receives a portion of the dead. Hel is referred to as a daughter of Loki, and to "go to Hel" is to die. In the Prose Edda bookGylfaginning, Hel is described as having been appointed by the god Odin as ruler of a realm of the same name, located in Niflheim. In the same source, her appearance is described as half black and half flesh-coloured and further as having a gloomy, downcast appearance. Hence the name Helfrost. It stays in line with their Nordic theme! I like it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I'd actually like to see the Helfrost weapon do some kind of armor reduction, personally, but that's neither here nor there, since that's not what it does. Regarding the name, I think it's spot on and people need to quit complaining that GW isn't being that original with the names or themes. I've yet to see anyone coming up with things they think are more appropriate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 "Hellfrost" is certainly a lot better than the Blood-blood-blood Wolf-wolf-wolf dribble. As far as rules go, it certainly is interesting. And it doesn't seem to be the worst idea to come along with this dex by quite a margin. So over all, whether I like it or not will ultimately depend on just how badly it ruins games for me :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Isn't it strength test? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I like that it is cool and different. It can also do two things moderately well but isn't necessarily good at one thing. Fits jack of all trades theme. As for the theme. They moved away from "wolf wolf wolf" which is good. And they took it halfway with the frost theme. But Fenris is a world of extremes. I wish they also took some time to illustrate the fire aspect of our world. I also wish it's range was 36". That would be cool. Maybe OP though. Overall I think it is good and depending on who has access I will field it. Most likely on dreads and stormfangs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 But Fenris is a world of extremes. I wish they also took some time to illustrate the fire aspect of our world. Definitely agree there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Caestus = fire!! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294333-so-what-do-you-guys-think-of-hellfrost-weapons/#findComment-3758625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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