So I had this idea.. Red Grey Knights..

[Merellin]

So I was watching some youtube last night when a thought suddenly popped into my head "What is, I paint my Grey Knights red instead of silver?" And then I was thinjking and poking about the net a bit, Found images of red grey knights showing that it can look quite good. And then I had another idea "Why not, Make them a successor chapter to Grey Knights called the Crimson Guardians? Using the Grey Knight models and rules.." So, What do people think? I dont realy have much fluff for them yet.. Though I'd need to work something that lets them fight Orks, Daemons, Eldar, And the ocasional marine chapter thats being used by my group..

[Tiberius Cato]

I would say look to the Exorcists for ideas. Their "official" primogenitor is unknown, but everyone and their mother knows its the Grey Knights.

[Quozzo]

I think you just described the Exorcists Having a successor of the GK that fights daemons is already done. If you're just looking for Red Grey Knights then go for it, but another successor would need to be different somehow from the Exorcists who are really just an inquisitorial experiment.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

So I was watching some youtube last night when a thought suddenly popped into my head "What is, I paint my Grey Knights red instead of silver?" And then I was thinjking and poking about the net a bit, Found images of red grey knights showing that it can look quite good. And then I had another idea "Why not, Make them a successor chapter to Grey Knights called the Crimson Guardians? Using the Grey Knight models and rules.." So, What do people think? I dont realy have much fluff for them yet.. Though I'd need to work something that lets them fight Orks, Daemons, Eldar, And the ocasional marine chapter thats being used by my group..

 

Well, your chief problem there is that unlike normal Marines, Knights have a lot of unique requirements for their battle-brothers. Its not a simple process to found a successor Chapter in the first place (it requires gene-seed from either the vaults of Mars or given up by an existing Chapter, which is a huge sacrifice on their part). Knights require;

- Male psykers between the ages of 10-15

- Exceptionally strong in both body and spirit

- Have already developed their powers

- Receptive to all the normal Marine requirements (genetic purity, hypno-indoctrination, compatible with gene-seed, aggressive, intelligent etc)

 

Given that normal Marines are already so rare (as the male children who can even pass the initial screening is vanishingly small, let alone the losses during their augmentation and training), Knights are another order of magnitude harder to create. Also, Titan is the only place they can be so quickly and thoroughly created. They burn through on average something like a million candidates to forge just one new battle-brother. As is, the Chapter struggles to maintain its fighting strength. 

 

 

Of course, GW have already provided a successor that gets around those issues. Firstly, Exorcists are kind of the dark mirror to Knights. Instead of every battle-brother being a psyker, every battle-brother (except their Librarians) must endure daemonic possession and successfully regain control. You don't have to be a psyker to be possessed, so that opens up the field for more candidates. The Exorcists suffer from heavy losses amongst their initiates though, as the possession is the last trial before they are fully inducted as a battle-brother (hence why they field three Scout companies instead of the normal one). Secondly, while the gene-seed is the same source, in the Exorcists it performs a very different function. Instead of amplifying psychic powers, it instead gives them a chance (albeit a slim one) to endure the possession. No normal gene-seed could endure such exposure to the warp without being corrupted, as the Traitor Legions have found (they have to steal gene-seed, as their own has long since corrupted beyond use). 

 

Keep in mind that the Exorcists are basically normal Marines in rules terms (sadly Forge World didn't want to give them an anti-daemon focus). You can use whatever Chapter Tactic you like of course, but an army of battle wizards they aint. 

 

 

If you're still keen on doing Knights, but having them in red, have you considered Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons? It's a pretty decent match up, and you can Ally normal Marines to represent the line brethren, while having Scarab Occult (Terminators or Paladins) and other sorceror-only squads representing cult units. 

[jeffersonian000]

First off, the Grey Knight recruitment method has to be propaganda, because it is unsustainable far beyond the normal unsustainability seen in Space Marine recruitment. A more sustainable, and pre-existing in background, recruitment method is to hand select recruits via divination from minor Psykers that are predetermined to be good candidates for implantation of their Psyker boosting Geneseed. If so ...

 

... There is no reason why other Psyker dominate Chapters cannot exist, be it hidden Inquisitorial or overt Codex Chaptor that has been on the books since <record deleted>. Frankly, an all blue GK-esque Chapter of actual Librarians is not only possible, it's simply amazing one does not exist already in fluff. If so ...

 

... An all red GK-esque Chapter is well within the realms of possibility, as we already have black Grey Knights, and blood-smeared Grey Knights, adding red Grey Knights to the mix is not that far fetched. If so ...

 

... A blood red with ivory trimmed GK-esque Psyker Army with Sorcerers spawning daemons to fight the enemies of the Imperium is pretty much pre-Heresy Thousand Sons, and has a pretty firm place in fluff to still exist in today's 40k, as seen in resent tournaments.

 

Just say'n.

 

SJ

[Tiberius Cato]

The Blood Ravens have a disproportionate amount of psykers, quite a bit more than 'standard' chapters. You could take it a step further and make it so the chapter uses some form of divination to single out psykers in the recruiting pool. I think it'll be quite easy for you to justify such a method, if you intend to make some fluff that is, and create a unique chapter.

[Merellin]

Well, They dont have to be a Grey Knight successor, That was just one idea I had to explain why they use Grey Knight models and rules. And I do rather like the name a friend came up with for them, The Crimson Guardians. They will be fighting against Orks and Eldar, Daemons, And even loyal marine chapters that is Ultramarines and Iron Hands and Red Templars (Because thats what my friends have) And I want them to be red.. Just trying to think of some good fluffy reason a chapter using Grey Knight models and rules would be fighting Chaos, Xenos and Loyalists alike.. Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons sound nice but.. Hmm... Mayhaps a splinter force of Thousand Sons who dident follow Ahriman and thus dident become dust, and somehow masquerade as loyalists..? But.. that sounds dumb.. I realy suck at thinking of fluff (And names.. XD)

 

All I realy know is, I want to use Grey Knight models and rules, Paint them red, And use the name Crimson Guardians.. And I need some reason for them to fight with.. Everyone.. XD

[BladeGaurd]

Make your Crimson Guardians a brother hood of the chapter, I do not believe that there is a complete brother hood list unlike the space wolves great companies that may have one. If you want to wright up stuff for them, then cover a campaign and traditions for them.

[Merellin]

Well, I dont realy see any reason for a brotherhood of the Grey Knights to be fighting against the Ultramarines, Iron Hands or Red Templars.. My brain spat out the silly idea that they where part of the Thousand Sons legion before the heresy, But during the heresy they broke off, Not following Ahriman they wherent affected by his spell, Instead they snuck off on their own, Raiding the Imperium to get better equipment and a couple of thousand years later or so they come to the aid of a Imperial world being invaded by xenos, Setting themselves up as a small unknown loyalist chapter, While keeping their past a secret, Trying to kill anyone that gets close to figuring out their dark secret so they can keep their masquerade going....

 

But I dont think any fluff nut would be even slightly kind to that idea.. I'm rather bad at writing my own fluff.. I do wanna try it though.. So please forgive my newbieness when it comes to fluff making, Any ideas are apreciated as to why they fight against the Xenos, Chaos and ocasional loyalists. ^_^

[BladeGaurd]

In some of the older fluff GK would fight with other imperials to defeat demons and then turn there bolter round on the witnesses, one reason why Logan Grimnar hated Grey Knights fallowing the first Armageddon War with Angron was the "cleaning up" after the conflict, I think Logan was one of the only ones not to get "cleaned up".  Also other space marines can still fall to chaos and hence needs to be purged.

[Merellin]

Well, My Ultramarines playing friend is very set on the "My Ultramarines are compleately pure and uncorrupted and would never be corrupted or enemies of the imperium" type deal and has a hard time playing them against other Imperium of Man armies because he dont think it fits the fluff..

 

 

Update on my idea, Opinions wanted, Please dont be too harsh

 

They where once a part of the Thousand Sons Legion, But during the Horus Heresy they managed to escape from the Space Wolves, But was seperated from their legion, Avoiding Ahrimans dust spell they kept their bodies. Spending the next couple of thousand years raiding the imperium for what they needed to survive, And for better equipment, Discovering all the new chapters emerging they decided to spin a massive trick. One part of their now larger group enterd the Imperium, Comming to the aid of a Imperial world that was being attacked by xenos, They called themselves the Crimson Guardians and aided the planet to set themselves up as a loyal pace marine chapter in the eyes of the citizens of the imperium (Since nobody knows all the chapters) But in truth they are hunting for a ancient artifact. They come to planets being invaded by chaos and xenos to hunt for the artifact, While also aiding the planet to make people think they are loyalists. Though those who discover what they are doing, Or start getting suspicious of their true nature they kill.

The other part of their group, Who is now known as the Crimson Guardians, Staying arround the borders of the imperium, Hunting for the artifact in the eye of terror, And the worlds at the edge and outside the imperium, Thus they dont hide their chaotic nature...

The first part who pretends to be loyalists would use the Grey Knights models and rules, While the second part who act outside the imperium use the chaos marine models and rules..

[Tiberius Cato]

My only concern is there would be no imperial record of their existence until that point. Yes, the record keeping of the Imperium is poor at best; but I find it a bit unlikely a chapter could come out of nowhere without the holy inquisition investigating.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

First off, the Grey Knight recruitment method has to be propaganda, because it is unsustainable far beyond the normal unsustainability seen in Space Marine recruitment. A more sustainable, and pre-existing in background, recruitment method is to hand select recruits via divination from minor Psykers that are predetermined to be good candidates for implantation of their Psyker boosting Geneseed. If so ...

 

What makes you think its propganda? I think it makes perfect sense. The Knights require too much of their recruits to compromise their initiation and training doctrine. The fate of the Imperium quite literally rests on the Chapter's next generation, without the 66th Chapter the Imperium would collapse under daemonic invasions. One a million psykers sounds like a lot, but remember how many worlds there are in the Imperium and the vast populations of the more intensely populated systems. You only need a billion psykers to fully replenish the entire Chapter, which obviously wouldn't happen all at once (most of the senior officers and veterans are hundreds of years old). 

... There is no reason why other Psyker dominate Chapters cannot exist, be it hidden Inquisitorial or overt Codex Chaptor that has been on the books since <record deleted>. Frankly, an all blue GK-esque Chapter of actual Librarians is not only possible, it's simply amazing one does not exist already in fluff. If so ...

 

No, there are two very clear and obvious reasons. Firstly, the Knights already demand the very best psykers in the Imperium, their rejects are the Primaris Psykers of the Guard and the Librarians of lesser Chapters. So, the very recruits you'd need for an all-psyker Chapter could not be requisitioned, as there are barely enough to fulfill the Knights requirements. On a smaller related logistical issue, the Emperor's gene-seed, the nemesis weapons, other rare technologies etc is all incredibly rare and potent, and would never be wasted on duplicating the Knights (who consume a vast amount of the Imperium's resources already). 

 

The second and even more obvious reason is that not even the Inquisition could sanction essentially the re-creation of the Thousand Sons. The Knights were created on the express orders of the Emperor and overseen by the Sigilite, and were his final gift to humanity. The Sigilite is long-dead and the Emperor is uncontactable. The Exorcists were a secret project that was only grudgingly sanctioned after they'd already been created and in operation for quite some time (ie the lords of the Inquisition judged it a waste of time to discard such a useful tool, even though they still have misgivings about the methods involved). 

... An all red GK-esque Chapter is well within the realms of possibility, as we already have black Grey Knights, and blood-smeared Grey Knights, adding red Grey Knights to the mix is not that far fetched. If so ...

 

Black Knights?

At some point you should actually read the Bloodtide story in the codex. 

... A blood red with ivory trimmed GK-esque Psyker Army with Sorcerers spawning daemons to fight the enemies of the Imperium is pretty much pre-Heresy Thousand Sons, and has a pretty firm place in fluff to still exist in today's 40k, as seen in recent tournaments.

 

If you wanna count-as Thousand Sons using Grey Knight rules, I don't see a problem. But if you mean you want an actual homebrew Chapter duplicating the Knights, its not going to work fluff-wise (for the reason I have outlined above). Tournaments /=/ canon, people run all kinds of silly pairings or builds, thats the game. We're talking about justifying a themed army. 

The Blood Ravens have a disproportionate amount of psykers, quite a bit more than 'standard' chapters. You could take it a step further and make it so the chapter uses some form of divination to single out psykers in the recruiting pool. I think it'll be quite easy for you to justify such a method, if you intend to make some fluff that is, and create a unique chapter. 

 

The Blood Ravens are successors to the Thousand Sons, created by Ahriman as an enduring legacy to the Imperium. 

Well, They dont have to be a Grey Knight successor, That was just one idea I had to explain why they use Grey Knight models and rules. And I do rather like the name a friend came up with for them, The Crimson Guardians. They will be fighting against Orks and Eldar, Daemons, And even loyal marine chapters that is Ultramarines and Iron Hands and Red Templars (Because thats what my friends have) And I want them to be red.. Just trying to think of some good fluffy reason a chapter using Grey Knight models and rules would be fighting Chaos, Xenos and Loyalists alike.. Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons sound nice but.. Hmm... Mayhaps a splinter force of Thousand Sons who dident follow Ahriman and thus dident become dust, and somehow masquerade as loyalists..? But.. that sounds dumb.. I realy suck at thinking of fluff (And names.. XD)

 

They can't be legit Thousand Sons, as they are all affected by the Rubrick. A successor could work though, the Blood Ravens are canon. 

Make your Crimson Guardians a brother hood of the chapter, I do not believe that there is a complete brother hood list unlike the space wolves great companies that may have one. If you want to wright up stuff for them, then cover a campaign and traditions for them.

 

We have a codified 8 brotherhoods, with the Paladins and Purifiers rounding out the Chapter's fighting strength. So no, not really any wiggle room there. Knights don't paint their warplate as a symbol of their purity and their unique place in the Adeptus Astartes; they are quite literally the Emperor's Gift, not reliant on any Primarch gene-father, their genetic legacy comes straight from the Emperor himself. If you want red psyker marines, Thousand Sons successor is the way to go. 

They where once a part of the Thousand Sons Legion, But during the Horus Heresy they managed to escape from the Space Wolves, But was seperated from their legion, Avoiding Ahrimans dust spell they kept their bodies. Spending the next couple of thousand years raiding the imperium for what they needed to survive, And for better equipment, Discovering all the new chapters emerging they decided to spin a massive trick. One part of their now larger group enterd the Imperium, Comming to the aid of a Imperial world that was being attacked by xenos, They called themselves the Crimson Guardians and aided the planet to set themselves up as a loyal pace marine chapter in the eyes of the citizens of the imperium (Since nobody knows all the chapters) But in truth they are hunting for a ancient artifact. They come to planets being invaded by chaos and xenos to hunt for the artifact, While also aiding the planet to make people think they are loyalists. Though those who discover what they are doing, Or start getting suspicious of their true nature they kill.

 

Wouldn't work sadly. First of all, the entire Legion was ordered back to Prospero by Magnus after the Council of Nikea. So, all of the Thousand Sons were present when the Wolves attacked, and none of them abandoned their home when battle was joined on the ground. It's also impossible to get around the issue of Magnus teleporting all the survivors onto the Planet of Sorcerors with him when he fled. 

 

As I've repeatedly mentioned, a 1k Sons successor is your best bet. It lets you sidestep the Rubric, it lets them be loyalist without massive plot holes and contradictions with established timelines/facts in the canon, and it lets you structure the Chapter as you like (the 1k Sons and Knights both have very explicit organisational aspects, especially when it comes to the breakdown of their fighting strength). 

[Merellin]

Thank you for the information Darius! Please excuse my newbie-ness at the fluffing. So, A Thousand Sons successor could work? Hmm... I shall need to ponder on this and see if I can throw together something intresting.. I had them as masquerading as loyalist to give them a reason to fight ultramarines and other loyalists.. But mayhaps they are real loyalists, It is just that they hide their past, And ocasionaly get into fights with other chapters because of their past.. Though the fights normaly end with higher ranked people ordering them to stop fighting or something.. They are loyal, But not well liked.. Hmm...

[BladeGaurd]

 

Make your Crimson Guardians a brother hood of the chapter, I do not believe that there is a complete brother hood list unlike the space wolves great companies that may have one. If you want to wright up stuff for them, then cover a campaign and traditions for them.

 

We have a codified 8 brotherhoods, with the Paladins and Purifiers rounding out the Chapter's fighting strength. So no, not really any wiggle room there. Knights don't paint their warplate as a symbol of their purity and their unique place in the Adeptus Astartes; they are quite literally the Emperor's Gift, not reliant on any Primarch gene-father, their genetic legacy comes straight from the Emperor himself. If you want red psyker marines, Thousand Sons successor is the way to go.

 

We may have 8 brotherhoods, but I was touching on there names or traditions.  If there is a name for the 8 brotherhoods or even a current list of the grandmasters of them then please tell me.  As for not panting there warplate, if your going with that then they should all be black, silver and gold as that the oldest colors for them.

 

By the way I keep looking for "don't paint their warplate as a symbol of their purity" in the Demon Hunter, Grey Knight codex or the Index Astartes and I can not find it; can I get a page number?

[Quozzo]

Not all Grand Masters, Brother-Captains or Brotherhood Champions have been named, otherwise there wouldn't be a generic option, like there is no generic Chapter Master in C:BA. But Grey Knights are just that, Grey.

[BladeGaurd]

Not all Grand Masters, Brother-Captains or Brotherhood Champions have been named, otherwise there wouldn't be a generic option, like there is no generic Chapter Master in C:BA. But Grey Knights are just that, Grey.

GW often name members of companies or organization in codex that have no rulls, example sence 3rd all 12 of the great companies of the space wolves have had the same wolf lords, such as Gunnar Red Moon or Eric Morkai (neither have rules on the table top) so the argument that we have no characters in the game so we can not know who leads each brotherhood holds no water. In the 3rd ed Catachans book there are blurbs about the various companies, swamp rats and waiting death; it is one of the best things GW does to cause immersion into the world and universe. As for Grey Knights being Grey, it is funny that they are black, Index Astartes II, "Purge the Unclean - The Grey Knights and Deathwatch Chapters" or White Dwarf 259 (US) or White Dwarf 260 (AUS).

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110729092551/warhammer40k/images/e/ed/Grey_knights_codex2.jpg

So I ask again where does it say that Grey Knights "don't paint their warplate as a symbol of their purity"?

As for red Grey Knights, Merellin have fun; that is the purpose of playing.

GK army colors I have seen: Silver (very common), Grey, Black, Red, Gold and purple.

[Quozzo]

I you look at the latest and un-retconned codex, you will see under "Mustering the Knights" title that Grey Knights are Grey. They are not black, they may have been at one time as I'm not that old, but currently Grey Knights are grey. In Codex: Daemonhunters there was a guide on how to paint Grey Knights as, yup you guessed it, grey.

 

If someone wants to paint red Grey Knights to make Red Knights, then to reiterate, go for it.

[Valerian]

 

 As for Grey Knights being Grey, it is funny that they are black, Index Astartes II, "Purge the Unclean - The Grey Knights and Deathwatch Chapters" or White Dwarf 259 (US) or White Dwarf 260 (AUS).

 

 

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110729092551/warhammer40k/images/e/ed/Grey_knights_codex2.jpg

 

So I ask again where does it say that Grey Knights "don't paint their warplate as a symbol of their purity"?

As for red Grey Knights, Merellin have fun; that is the purpose of playing.

GK army colors I have seen: Silver (very common), Grey, Black, Red, Gold and purple.

 

 

I think the fluff blurb about unpainted armor is in both the Codex Daemonhunters and our current 5e codex.  I'll look later for a page number, if someone else doesn't come up with it first. 

 

Now, it seems that perhaps an old History Lesson on the Grey Knights that I once provided on the sub forum years ago is worth linking to again.  Hopefully it'll be helpful.  

 

Lastly, I'll have to go back to look through sources some time, but I never got the sense that the Exorcists were supposed to be successors to the Grey Knights at all.  As I understood it, they were simply an Inquisitorial experiment, and they used a squad of Grey Knights on standby during the 'test and evaluation' period for the Exorcists, just in case something went wrong.

 

Best,

 

V

[Leif Bearclaw]

The Blood Ravens are successors to the Thousand Sons, created by Ahriman as an enduring legacy to the Imperium. 

Do you have a source for that? Because I've only ever seen that as a fanon theory.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Thank you for the information Darius! Please excuse my newbie-ness at the fluffing. So, A Thousand Sons successor could work? Hmm... I shall need to ponder on this and see if I can throw together something intresting.. I had them as masquerading as loyalist to give them a reason to fight ultramarines and other loyalists.. But mayhaps they are real loyalists, It is just that they hide their past, And ocasionaly get into fights with other chapters because of their past.. Though the fights normaly end with higher ranked people ordering them to stop fighting or something.. They are loyal, But not well liked.. Hmm...

 

Well, remember the Blood Ravens don't know they're descended from Magnus, so you could have your successor homebrew equally ignorant of their past. If anyone knew they'd be purged at once, but you could have suspicious Inquisitors trailing their campaigns and occasionally ordering investigations (and then having their acolytes 'mysteriously' disappear).

We may have 8 brotherhoods, but I was touching on there names or traditions.  If there is a name for the 8 brotherhoods or even a current list of the grandmasters of them then please tell me.  As for not panting there warplate, if your going with that then they should all be black, silver and gold as that the oldest colors for them. 

 

The 1st Brotherhood, 2nd Brotherhood...I don't think they're called anything special. Regular Marine Chapters refer to their Companies in the same straightforward manner. Of course, squads and individual Knights could have titles and names (they're a bit like the Custodes in that way, they accumulate a lot of glory in their time). As for the warplate colour, its been retconned to silver. Nothing wrong with having them black though, as you say, its more correct ;) but 3rd edition was a long time ago now.

Lastly, I'll have to go back to look through sources some time, but I never got the sense that the Exorcists were supposed to be successors to the Grey Knights at all.  As I understood it, they were simply an Inquisitorial experiment, and they used a squad of Grey Knights on standby during the 'test and evaluation' period for the Exorcists, just in case something went wrong. 

 

They are successors in a technical sense, as they both use the Emperor's gene-seed. However, you are correct that the Knights did not sanction the creation of the Exorcists, and most likely view them as an abomination. They were an experiment, but they have since become a fully-fledged Chapter and operate under their own authority (although they retain strong ties to the Ordo Malleus for obvious reasons). Its stated that the Exorcists give promising psyker candidates over the Knights as a priority, so there is a link between the Chapters in that aspect at least. 

 

Do you have a source for that? Because I've only ever seen that as a fanon theory.

 

 

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blood_Ravens#.U99BwfmSx8F

 

If you head to the bottom you'll see the collected evidence. Also, more recently, the Ahriman trilogy Black Library are currently in the middle of heavily hints that Ahriman will found the Blood Ravens (similar 'raven' visions as the other evidence points to). None of the other theories have anywhere near the same level of evidence. Blood Angels are an obvious bait, Raven Guard the same, Dark Angels only because no one knows all their successors, Imperial Fists based on nothing (in-game wargear references mean nothing, DoW2 has relics from all the Founding Chapters). 

 

Once the Ahriman trilogy is done it'll be confirmed fully. For now though, they're just teasing us. 

[Lucien Eilam]

First off, the Grey Knight recruitment method has to be propaganda, because it is unsustainable far beyond the normal unsustainability seen in Space Marine recruitment.

"Propaganda" for a Chapter nobody is allowed to know about?

 

The Black Ships trawl the entire Imperium for candidates for the Grey Knights. Harder to find suitable aspirants, but a vastly larger pool by orders of magnitude than any other Chapter.

[Lucien Eilam]

Once the Ahriman trilogy is done it'll be confirmed fully.

That's a bold statement. Aren't you jumping to conclusions? Ahriman is Corvidae, raven symbology isn't necessarily anything to do with the Blood Ravens.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

"Propaganda" for a Chapter nobody is allowed to know about?

 

Exactly. Its no exaggeration, the Knights have incredible standards to maintain. If they fail, humanity will be consumed by the warp and the Emperor will die. 

 

That's a bold statement. Aren't you jumping to conclusions? Ahriman is Corvidae, raven symbology isn't necessarily anything to do with the Blood Ravens. 

 

 

Nope. Review the page I linked to. I'd also recommend reading 'A Thousand Sons', 'Ahriman: Exile' and reading 'Ahriman: Sorcerer' when it comes out. They have all but confirmed it by now. I was dubious about it at first, but even when the first DoW game came out, they were hinting at it. 

[BladeGaurd]

If Blood Ravens are a Thousand Sons chapter then where does there gene seed comes from, most of the Thousand Sons are fleshless spirit held to the world and animating there armor and those that are not are sorcerers.  I do not think there is enough among all the Thousand Sons to make another chapter.

Also an "all but confirmed" is different from a confirmed.