So I had this idea.. Red Grey Knights..

[Tiberius Cato]

A bank of every legions geneseed is maintained on Holy Terra, even that of traitors.

[BladeGaurd]

So Ahriman snuck into Holy Terra gene volt just to make the Blood Ravens...... that sounds a highly implausible. The inquisition might have made the Blood Raven, but Ahriman seems unlikely.

[Tiberius Cato]

It is possible that they were created during the dark founding using Thousands Sons geneseed. I can't say if it was indeed Ahriman or not; but it seems more likely to me that an inquistor wanted to utilise the latent power of the Thousand Sons geneseed and commissioned the founding of the Blood Ravens.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

So Ahriman snuck into Holy Terra gene volt just to make the Blood Ravens...... that sounds a highly implausible. The inquisition might have made the Blood Raven, but Ahriman seems unlikely.

 

 

Well actually gene-seed is held on Mars, not Terra. Considering Ahriman's talents at deception and manipulation (plus he's probably one of the most powerful psykers ever born), I don't think its impossible. Very difficult sure, and its highly unlikely he did it himself (he'd use a catspaw). 

It is possible that they were created during the dark founding using Thousands Sons geneseed. I can't say if it was indeed Ahriman or not; but it seems more likely to me that an inquistor wanted to utilise the latent power of the Thousand Sons geneseed and commissioned the founding of the Blood Ravens. 

 

That might be the direction they go. The issue there is that the High Lords would never sanction the creation of a new Chapter created from Traitor gene-seed. They generally try and avoid creating more Astartes in the first place, due to the problems they cause. I dunno how Black Library will play it, maybe the gene-seed is swapped at a critical moment? Only a Magos or Apothecary would know the difference, and they could be plants by Ahriman (the Inquisitor they could keep legit, as Ahriman needs a veneer of legitimacy to the founding). 

 

A lot of unknowns. We'll see when 'Sorceror' comes out :)

[Tiberius Cato]

IIRC, isn't their geneseed vaults on Holy Terra and Mars? But yeah, totally agree with what you said ,brother.

[Brovius]

Well, My Ultramarines playing friend is very set on the "My Ultramarines are compleately pure and uncorrupted and would never be corrupted or enemies of the imperium" type deal and has a hard time playing them against other Imperium of Man armies because he dont think it fits the fluff..

 

 

Update on my idea, Opinions wanted, Please dont be too harsh

 

They where once a part of the Thousand Sons Legion, But during the Horus Heresy they managed to escape from the Space Wolves, But was seperated from their legion, Avoiding Ahrimans dust spell they kept their bodies. Spending the next couple of thousand years raiding the imperium for what they needed to survive, And for better equipment, Discovering all the new chapters emerging they decided to spin a massive trick. One part of their now larger group enterd the Imperium, Comming to the aid of a Imperial world that was being attacked by xenos, They called themselves the Crimson Guardians and aided the planet to set themselves up as a loyal pace marine chapter in the eyes of the citizens of the imperium (Since nobody knows all the chapters) But in truth they are hunting for a ancient artifact. They come to planets being invaded by chaos and xenos to hunt for the artifact, While also aiding the planet to make people think they are loyalists. Though those who discover what they are doing, Or start getting suspicious of their true nature they kill.

 

The other part of their group, Who is now known as the Crimson Guardians, Staying arround the borders of the imperium, Hunting for the artifact in the eye of terror, And the worlds at the edge and outside the imperium, Thus they dont hide their chaotic nature...

 

The first part who pretends to be loyalists would use the Grey Knights models and rules, While the second part who act outside the imperium use the chaos marine models and rules..

Just remind your friend that Marneus Calgar wields World Eater relics, that's more than enough reason for GKs to go on a smurf hunt ;)

[Quozzo]

wouldn't that be the OH jurisdiction? If it's not warp spawn the GK don't give a darn. (that's the best I could do at such short notice )

[Brovius]

It's do do with Chaos, so the Grey Knights would be very interested. In the old (read: true) fluff that is, before we had Grand Masters that reforge daemon weapons into a blade of utmost purity out of sheer force of will, or run around with daemon blades because it can't be destroyed or be trusted to not grow legs and go find someone easily corruptable.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Just remind your friend that Marneus Calgar wields World Eater relics, that's more than enough reason for GKs to go on a smurf hunt

Nah, he's just a big guy ;) he needs big gloves

wouldn't that be the OH jurisdiction? If it's not warp spawn the GK don't give a darn. (that's the best I could do at such short notice )

Not true. The Knights purged the Relictors for using heretical devices and knowledge. Granted, they did it at the behest of an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor, but it was a pretty serious undertaking. Marines are a precious and largely irreplaceable resource for the Imperium, and the Chapters generally avoid conflict with one another due to their shared status as 'we dislike your independence but we'd be lost without you' that the rest of the Imperium sees them as. You'd probably need Inquisitorial sanction before you could go after a Marine Chapter, they command a lot of respect and authority.

[captain sox]

Back to the colour thing, paint them how you want. Red, pink, blue yellow. You pay for the minis, make them how you want. My best friend plays Grey Knight, and his squads are all coloured differently. Strike Squads are one colour, purifiers another, etc etc. Looks sharp. Do what makes YOU happy. 

 

if people don't want to play your "Crimson Guardians" because they are red grey knights, I say F- 'em! My Cadians are green and grey. My Dark Angels will be teal blue when I get back into painting them.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Back to the colour thing, paint them how you want. Red, pink, blue yellow. You pay for the minis, make them how you want. My best friend plays Grey Knight, and his squads are all coloured differently. Strike Squads are one colour, purifiers another, etc etc. Looks sharp. Do what makes YOU happy. 

 

if people don't want to play your "Crimson Guardians" because they are red grey knights, I say F- 'em! My Cadians are green and grey. My Dark Angels will be teal blue when I get back into painting them.

 

Completely agree. But the reason OP made the thread was to ask for some help justifying his paint scheme with plausible background. 

 

>dark angels

>teal blue

Heresy!

[Brovius]

 

Back to the colour thing, paint them how you want. Red, pink, blue yellow. You pay for the minis, make them how you want. My best friend plays Grey Knight, and his squads are all coloured differently. Strike Squads are one colour, purifiers another, etc etc. Looks sharp. Do what makes YOU happy. 

 

if people don't want to play your "Crimson Guardians" because they are red grey knights, I say F- 'em! My Cadians are green and grey. My Dark Angels will be teal blue when I get back into painting them.

 

Completely agree. But the reason OP made the thread was to ask for some help justifying his paint scheme with plausible background. 

 

>dark angels

>teal blue

Heresy!

 

I think you could've just left it as:

>Dark Angels

Heresy!

 

:p

[Gaz Taylor]

So I was watching some youtube last night when a thought suddenly popped into my head "What is, I paint my Grey Knights red instead of silver?" And then I was thinjking and poking about the net a bit, Found images of red grey knights showing that it can look quite good. And then I had another idea "Why not, Make them a successor chapter to Grey Knights called the Crimson Guardians? Using the Grey Knight models and rules.." So, What do people think? I dont realy have much fluff for them yet.. Though I'd need to work something that lets them fight Orks, Daemons, Eldar, And the ocasional marine chapter thats being used by my group..

 

Personally, why not? The whole point of the background of 40K is that it's supposed to be vague and have these holes where these things may happen. For example, considering all the secrets about the Grey Knights, there is nothing stopping you having a successor chapter.

 

Personally, I would probably go down a different route if you want them to have red armour, and say the armour is red as it's been coated in the blood of the innocent to help protect the Knights as they hunt down a Daemon Prince. Keeps it in the background without anybody moaning as they are Grey Knights and it highlights how the Inquistion and Grey Knights will sacrifice those who they are supposed to be protecting from Daemons.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Personally, why not? The whole point of the background of 40K is that it's supposed to be vague and have these holes where these things may happen. For example, considering all the secrets about the Grey Knights, there is nothing stopping you having a successor chapter.

 

Yeah, but this isn't like normal Marines, where you can make your own Chapter very easily (as all 1000 have never been codified, and even the Imperium don't have records of every successor, or even the foundings). Grey Knights are rare and only one Chapter for a reason, there simply aren't enough suitable psychic humans to sustain more than one such Chapter. 

Personally, I would probably go down a different route if you want them to have red armour, and say the armour is red as it's been coated in the blood of the innocent to help protect the Knights as they hunt down a Daemon Prince. Keeps it in the background without anybody moaning as they are Grey Knights and it highlights how the Inquistion and Grey Knights will sacrifice those who they are supposed to be protecting from Daemons.

 

Not a bad idea actually, as its been done in the codex already (albeit controversially). 

[Ganders]

I love the idea of doing variations on the norm. I think red would be a cool colour for the knights.

 

I went the white route;

 

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii160/gordonayr/20140115_185220_zpsb7712557.jpg

[Captain Coolpants]

I freaking love white knights! But when I tried, I didn't have the skill/patients to try and put black detail on the white.

I'm so jealous lol. Wish I could paint white well

[Captain Coolpants]

Also you should paint anything whatever colour you want, make up fluff to justify it to yourself. There are 8 "known" brotherhoods, so you could use that as an excuse for different colours for the unknown brotherhoods?

 

And if you have friends or whatever that don't allow you to play because they aren't the 'true' colours, then you need new friends lol

[Kilofix]

....what if they were like Samurais too?

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Also you should paint anything whatever colour you want, make up fluff to justify it to yourself. There are 8 "known" brotherhoods, so you could use that as an excuse for different colours for the unknown brotherhoods? 

 

But they're aren't any unknown Brotherhoods. The structure of the Chapter reflects their founding, they had eight Grandmasters and the Supreme Grandmaster Janus to lead them. The 'missing' two companies are made up of the Paladins (who function as the 1st Company in many ways, albeit they never fight en-masse and they mostly protect their Grandmaster) and Purifiers (who have very specialized duties relating to the Chapter fortress). 

[Spazmonkey]

Yeah it is just rumors. As they say they (Thousand sons) are known for deception and they are very vague with their links and information.

I would take it with a grain of salt.

I for one doubt they are Thousand sons successors. 

i would go with blood angels or one of the 2 unknown chapters.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Yeah it is just rumors. As they say they (Thousand sons) are known for deception and they are very vague with their links and information.

I would take it with a grain of salt.

I for one doubt they are Thousand sons successors. 

i would go with blood angels or one of the 2 unknown chapters.

 

Eh, we shall see. But there is a lot of supporting evidence for 1k Sons. 

[Guest arbitor marduk]

I freaking love white knights! But when I tried, I didn't have the skill/patients to try and put black detail on the white.

I'm so jealous lol. Wish I could paint white well

Or you prime them black and layer the colour up?, you'd start with the dark eldar flesh base paint and make your way up?

[Madmaardigan]

You want to make red grey knight the make an "exorcist" army

 

There fluff is actually pretty kool too, somthing along the lines of being lab rats for the ordo malleus and grey knights, volunteering to be possessed by chaos, then upon being purified and having the daemon driven out, the survivors had armor slapped on them and made into marines. (Not exact but somthing like that)

 

As for painting there's a couple other thing you could do such as base coat them red and then do the silver, or use a red wash opposed the blue tone, if you don't want to do excorcists

[Aun'O'Awesome]

Also you should paint anything whatever colour you want, make up fluff to justify it to yourself. There are 8 "known" brotherhoods, so you could use that as an excuse for different colours for the unknown brotherhoods?

 

Someone clearly does know his army's fluff. There are only 8, no more, representing the original founding members (which there were 8 of) therefore for tradition, they maintain the 8. Read the Horus Heresy Book 3 (or if reading a novel is too complex for you, there are audio books after the book)

[RedMoon]

are you seriously saying that somebody cant paint their models (they payed 50 bucks plus for) however they dang well please?