Sigvard Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Okay so I would imagine we all have seen his rules in the new White Dwarf. So we know that he has furious charge - which grants +1 Strength on the charge. However his weapons - the Murderclaws are set as S7. Now does this mean that he cannot use furious charge with his weapons as they are set a constant strength? Any clarification you can shed on this before I consider building the beast next week would be marvellous Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I think we have to wait fot FAQ. The same thing was with wolf claws of Canis and his abbility to rend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 im willing to bet its strength 8 on the charge then reverts to strength 7 else itd be largely pointless Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Even if they are s7, you are hardly going to send him into combat with things that can reliably kill him like TH/SS TDA. By the looks of it he will be used to either clear small elite units like Crisis teams, Riptides or regular 5man TDA squads, or to kill tarpits; neither sport higher than t5/6. Given his profile, SW access to Divination and WS5 I imagine him being able to claw himself through a squad of Boys in a timely manner. I really want to try him in a fast SW list by dropping him in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigvard Posted August 2, 2014 Author Share Posted August 2, 2014 My main reason for asking is for Instant Death purposes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSmasher Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 This is a pretty key issue, the threshold of S7-8 is pretty big, escpecially against most TEQ, MEQ models Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Do you have your own questions? You can submit them to the rules team for inclusion in a future FAQ or Errata: Gamefaqs@gwplc.com Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Okay so I would imagine we all have seen his rules in the new White Dwarf. So we know that he has furious charge - which grants +1 Strength on the charge. However his weapons - the Murderclaws are set as S7. Now does this mean that he cannot use furious charge with his weapons as they are set a constant strength? Any clarification you can shed on this before I consider building the beast next week would be marvellous This situation already exists in the Blood Angels codex. Astorath, Corbulo and Seth all have weapons that fight at a set strength. GW has always ruled that FC did not apply for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 The only thing I could think is that they dumbed down the rules for the WD. But who knows just yet, if we get our 'dex and they say it gives him a plus to strength then it should work fine to my understanding. Would there be any other benifit to FC otherwise? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyrar's Finest Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 However, in the current white dwarf, they already mentioned that he can get numerous str 7- str 8 attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 However, in the current white dwarf, they already mentioned that he can get numerous str 7- str 8 attacks. that's right, it clearly states that he is strength 8 on the charge in white dwarf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Is the WD official enough? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haakon_Stormbrow Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 its probably a case of the people who write the codex don't realise when they need to be careful about wording something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Unfortunately, White Dwarf has a far from perfect record getting the rules right. So a WD fluff piece saying he's S8 on the charge doesn't really mean anything in isolation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Yes, this is an obvious oversight. Since Furious Charge is useless on Murderfang otherwise, we can astutely assume the design intention was for the Murdeclaws and Furious Charge to interact. Situations like this are good way to test the waters. If you plan to use Murderfang, Talk about it with your opponent before the game and explain GW's mistake. If he's going to stomp his feet about it, its a good indication that he's probably going to be a jerk in other regards and probably not worth having a game with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 If the White Dwarf is not listing the full rules of the character, then the murderfang could be strength +3, which would stack with FC, or could specifically say it is s7, s8 on the charge. But if it is worded the attacks are S7, then it will need a FAQ or a clarification to work with FC. White Dwarf does not have a good track record for rules in my experience. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 WD has a good enough track record for whole codices to be published in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 WD has a good enough track record for whole codices to be published in it. One of those codexes forgot to put doors on transports. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Well the BA FAQ applies to BA armies, not Wolves. We'll wait for the Wolves to get an updated FAQ until we get an answer. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Well the BA FAQ applies to BA armies, not Wolves. We'll wait for the Wolves to get an updated FAQ until we get an answer. WLK FC in the rulebook is pretty clear, it affects the user's strength. If a weapon uses the user's strength, great FC applies. If a weapon has its own strength, FC does not. Though, GW has shown themselves to be inconsistent enough that they could change that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3763990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Brother James is correct, regardless of what it ought to be, what it is is quite clear. The only way to fix it is for the Studio to amend it, which is why I recommend that everyone write in at that address that I provided above. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3764144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Brother James is correct, regardless of what it ought to be, what it is is quite clear. The only way to fix it is for the Studio to amend it, which is why I recommend that everyone write in at that address that I provided above. My guess is they will fix it quickly (or the wording inthe codex will make the discussion irrelevant). This seems to be a situation where someone did not write the rules to do what they intended. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3764149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I have this annoying habit of being uneasy using rules that advantage me whenever there is a RAI/RAW conflict (whether its the RAI/RAW that are in my favour). So I would like an errata to allow s8 even though I think that's the obvious intent. quite funny... Last game I had I offered to roll off with my opponent about wolf tail talismans. Even though he was fine with me using then as a 5+ save (RAW). If I win, I want to feel like I earned it. Totally lost that game though hahaha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3764151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Well the whole WD showing rules was intended to get people interested in what they are about to release. The only WDs I bought recantly were the ones for Dwarfs, and they did a good job beating around the bushes with a few of those rules so who knows. As for an FAQ for this, it is probably already done, while there are Fantasy armies that are 6+ months old that haven't got one yet. 40k is GW's favoritekid so expect answers quickly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3764208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Isn't there a case for dreads without combat weapons (eg. Mortis Pattern) to use their pure Str User (6) AP - in combat? So if the Murderdread loses the claws, he's still S7 on charge. It's as if the intent MIGHT have been weak, just ensuring the dread is ALWAYS S7, at least on charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294568-murderfang/#findComment-3764230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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