Kol Saresk Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I really like and agree with the points brought up by many of you, particularly clone. Only two things I have to say. I'm fairly certain by our standards the emp was a terrible father as he was all work and no chillin with his chilins. Furthermore, I am fairly certain Tzeentch hates lips, way too many beaks amongst his followers for any other explanation. The funny thing is, the same could be said of us because we don't raise our sons to Warrior Bad- Extraordinaires. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3767946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 True Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3767949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Say whaaaaat, Kol? Emps raised a grand total of one son to be a warrior bad:cuss. Giving him credit for how the non Horus Primarchs turned out is like saying a guy who walked out the door when his girlfriend was six months pregnant is a great father if the kid turns out to be an Olympic Gold medalist or Nobel Prize winner. That credit should go to Konor, Thengir, Damnekos, Luther, Kor Phaeron, etc, not Mr. "Oh hey son, it's been two centuries and I've finally decided to be a part of your life. By the way, I expect unquestioning loyalty and devotion from you because you come from my genes." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3768294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 . . . You know, the Emperor found a lot of sons very fast. And a few sons really late. It almost took the whole Crusade to find Corax, and yet the majority of his brothers were found with rapid fire accuracy way in the beginning. We know the Emperor had some sort of connection with them, what with Magnus holding mental conversations with him and some Primarchs being found in ways that make it seem clear he knew they were there. What if his favoritism went even further? What if he deliberately held back on finding Corax, specifically to allow his favored son Horus to lead a second Legion all his own? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3768309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Except that my impression is that Corax was only on Deliverance for max of a couple of decades, not a century. So perhaps some primarchs took longer than others to arrive on their new homes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3768321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Didn't A DB once mention that the exact reason he doesn't view most of the Primarchs as sons is because he wanted generals? I'd extrapolate from that, because Horus was the only one raised by the Emperor, that is the foundation of their special relationship. Which would go a ways in explaining why his relationship with the others tended more towards commander and subordinate than father and son. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3768350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I think we have already hammered down the fact the the Emperor was a really :cuss y dad. Let's get back on the OP's question of how powerful the Emperor really is. =][= Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3768356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordo Machinum Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 The Emperor is extremely powerful but still flawed. His all-seeing and all-knowing Self counted on bringing Horus back from the brink, back into the Emperor's light, etc. Horus said, "Nahhhh!" (stabbity-stabbity). Emperor's mind said, "Snnaaappp!" The Emperor's own Ego led Him to be incarcerated into the Golden Throne, a husk of His former glories. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3768389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Except that my impression is that Corax was only on Deliverance for max of a couple of decades, not a century. So perhaps some primarchs took longer than others to arrive on their new homes? Honestly, that's my opinion on the matter. That the Primarchs didn't just appear at different worlds, but at different times as well. But you never know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3768402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 well, some appeared as newborns and others as tweens Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3768406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 well, some appeared as newborns and others as tweens Eh? I have only known of small children. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3768420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Perturabo seemed about 10 to me... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3768472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 His depiction in Extinction does make him seem to appear about ten-ish when taken to Dammekos, but it says that he was taken by guards after spending some time as a fighter for hire and artisan. Long enough to be widely known as exceptional. Considering how quick Primarchs seem to grow, that potential year or so before the guards took him likely saw him grow from the much younger age to the ten year old at that time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3768489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I haven't read Extinction, only Angel Ex (which is where I got that impression from, right or wrong). Regardless of whether I've overestimated his age, it does seem plausible that the Primarchs were in transit for varying degrees of time due to varying ages on landing/discovery. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3768555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Quite honestly I stopped caring. If they wanted someone or something to eclipse something, it'll appear bigger and badder. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3769121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 The only descriptions of the pods being found are visions in A DBs books and stories, and Angel Exterminatus. Because they are visions, I don't know they are entirely accurate. It's also safe to assume not all the pods landed simultaneously, given the Fulgrim was found as a baby and Kurze was old enough to walk. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3769124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Not to mention Angron was able to kill eldar. But that easily be explained away as "rapid gestation" with Fulgrim being found right away, while some of the other Primarchs took time. Curze was first seen after he had climbed out of his pit. Meaning that if he landed as an infant, he would have had to wait until he grew enough to climb. No wondered he was so screwed in the head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3769130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 If you want to discuss the order of the Primarch's Landings, or anything else about the sons of the Emperor, please create a different thread. Return to discussion of the Emperor and how powerful he is, or this thread will receive an Olympian Retirement Plan. =][= Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3769151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordo Machinum Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Didn't the big "E" fight a few of his sons to a standstill? He can take them one-on-one, but he's not tougher than all of them combined. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3769168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Dude forced an entire legion to its knees. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3769633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Didn't the big "E" fight a few of his sons to a standstill? He can take them one-on-one, but he's not tougher than all of them combined. He might not be able to take them all, nut he can probably take out a handful. Look at those encounters you speak of. The Emperor usually had some sort of glamour on that made jim appear less than he was, and more equal to the Primarchs. But, he inevitably cast aside the glamour and blow his sons away. Vulkan and Mortarion are the biggest examples I can think of. With that in mind, I think that he could probably take on a fair share of Primarchs and come out on top. Probably not even half though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3769667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 How many of his sons the emperor could fight would probably depend on if Magnus is one of the guys fighting him. Without Magnus it would be Primarch strength vs the Emperor's mind. With magnus, the Emperor would have to devote considerable effort keeping Magnus in check while fighting the other primarchs, instead of just having to focus on pure psychic enhancement of his combat prowess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3769684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 How strong is the Emperor? He almost died from something as mundane as an Orkz hand at his throat. How weak is the Emperor? His final breath has cut a blade of light through the hell behind reality for ten thousand years. He couldn't best Leman Russ in feasting or drinking nor pierce the glamours of Erebus and Kor Phaeron, yet the Primarch who outmatched the storm giants of Medusa was wrestled into submission by his grip, and Angron's fury turned to slumber by the sound of his voice. He was an upstart who thought he could cheat true divinity of its rightful due...and a millenia old force which required the Four's undivided attention to lay low. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3769692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 How strong is the Emperor? He almost died from something as mundane as an Orkz hand at his throat. How weak is the Emperor? His final breath has cut a blade of light through the hell behind reality for ten thousand years. He couldn't best Leman Russ in feasting or drinking nor pierce the glamours of Erebus and Kor Phaeron, yet the Primarch who outmatched the storm giants of Medusa was wrestled into submission by his grip, and Angron's fury turned to slumber by the sound of his voice. He was an upstart who thought he could cheat true divinity of its rightful due...and a millenia old force which required the Four's undivided attention to lay low. He is Steve irwin Wrestles crocs Dies from a stingray Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3769859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveNYC Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 My alternate theory: The Emperor's power level, or mana points, or whatever isn't the limiting factor. It's how much of his power he can channel without destroying his mortal shell. Even with whatever gene hacking he's done both in the womb and over the millenia, he's still flesh and blood. So while his mind might be without limits, his actual body might not be up to the task of holding together should he cut loose. This also helps smooth out the issue of why he didn't burn Horus out of existence the second the Emperor saw him standing over Sanguineous' corpse. He didn't hold back because he hoped he could save Horus or something, he held back because the level of power necessary to burn Horus would have caused immense harm to himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294654-how-powerful-is-the-emperor-really/page/4/#findComment-3770276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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