ZONKEY Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Good morning my unforgiven brothers and sisters Just a quick question, i don't know if I am better drop podding a dreadnought into enemy lines or deploying the deathwing via deep strike? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Depends on what you want to acomplish. If you're looking for a cheap vehicle killer then go venerable dread with MM (Venerable because of BS5), If you want to kill infantry then a DW is better but DS is riskier. If you want an allrounder, then Termies are better as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3766471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daevyll Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Depends on opponent of course, but I'd pick Deathwing in most cases. But of course, this is reflected in the points values... you can actually send 2 podded dreads in for the cost of a DW squad with some goodies. Against most opponents a dread will be glanced to death in pretty short order, while the DW will have their 2+ save plus 3/5++. And you can pick exactly when they arrive. And they aren't tarpitted as easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3766473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Two Mortis Dreads; weapons of your choice for the targets at hand, both in Lucius Drop pods. You land out of melta range but behind the enemies vital point and watch the enemy try to kill two 12/12/12 5+ Pods whilst shooting out of the smoking remains, they then have to start shooting the Dreads MUAHAHAHAHA!!!. All this whilst the rest of your DW charge up the guts in their 14/14/14 Venerable 4++ super scoring transports. I LOVE FW!!! Cues more evil laughing......MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3766481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZONKEY Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 The unit it would be dropped in to cripple enemy tanks asap and assault any heavy support lurking The unit it would be dropped in to cripple enemy tanks asap and assault any heavy support lurking Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3766484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I would go double LC Mortis dreads but a MM and CCW for later rounds would work OK. DW really can't bring enough AT fire power in the shooting phase and D-Sing them and shooting leaves them VERY open to subsequent destruction by plasma equivalents. Mortis dreads might even survive long enough to shoot a flyer down :wacko: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3766485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raztalin Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Big fan of Dreads myself, Ven with MM and HFlamers. But then I use them in conjunction with my Deathwing for Target saturation. Give them a Big Nasty to worry about thus allowing the DW to go about their business relatively unmolested. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3766486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 ^^^That's the theory alright :tu: The exact details are best left to trial and error for each player/meta (hate that term, but you get what I mean). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3766487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhg033 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 don't have the dex to check - do dreads get Deathwing assault/twin linking when they arrive via drop pod? I don't think they do from memory DW with this should be more survivable and scoring with azrael/belial. granted you are getting what you pay for here. adding split fire in means that the heavy weapon can go for armour whilst the storm bolters can take on a more manageable unit they can hurt. dreads are cheaper so make for a better suicide unit. if they do get DW assault then that may change them significantly. BS5, twin linked MM or assault cannon would be pure filth. adding a missile launcher instead of CCW just to be sure. am actually quite tempted now to do a couple of assault cannon/Missile launcher drop pod dreads regardless of the DWA rule. they'd be a pretty un-ignorable threat if landed right. able to reach out and touch back armour with ML's as tanks advance on your other units and able to mow down local targets with AC/frag or Krak. glass hammer unit though so would have to be timed right and positioned well to get the best use of cover (from drop pod as well as terrain) for any survivability. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3766515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZONKEY Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 Plus people I play with panic with dreadnoughts as it looks dangerous on the board Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3766526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasmaspam Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Two mortis dreads, TLLC and TLAC, dropped into the enemy's fundament - watch his fliers and armour panic! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3767006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaSY Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Meanwhile, the Deathwing squads teleport in and yell, ''You can't hide!!!'', blocking their enemies' escape and their lives just extinguished. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3767380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raztalin Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Out of interest - where are the rules saying Contemptors can take pods? I dont seem to find it in any literature I have or BattleScribe... I have always assumed they had to footslog - be very grateful if someone could point me in the right direction :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3767648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 IA2 (2nd Ed); Buy it, you'll be glad you did, it's great!!! page 160 Lucius Pods allow all types of dread from the dexes to use them pages 178-179 Contemptor and Mortis Contemptor Dreads may take a Lucius as a dedicated transport. Clear as mud Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3768208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raztalin Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 IA2 (2nd Ed); Buy it, you'll be glad you did, it's great!!! page 160 Lucius Pods allow all types of dread from the dexes to use them pages 178-179 Contemptor and Mortis Contemptor Dreads may take a Lucius as a dedicated transport. Clear as mud Nice one Stobz; Hadnt looked at that entry for a long time - just needed pointing in the right direction!! Muchas Grassy-ass Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3769006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disciple of Caliban Sgt Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 lhg033, Negative on the DW Assault for the Dreads my friend. I know it is for tank killing but has anyone tried out a case for an Assault Cannon Dread with Heavy Flamer Drop Pod in and teleport in some Termi's with an Assault squad as well? I used it once and it demolished three tanks but I haven't played in 5th edition and am wondering the viability. I know Melta is the way to go however I want it to be able to do more than give a BS5 single multi melta shot on a unit of infantry is kind of sad. I would have melta elsewhere in the list for the things that must die. Just wondering what your all thoughts on this are. P.S. Sorry if this is too much of a thread hijack? DoC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3784105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raztalin Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 To be honest, I haven't tried that combo. I do use an AssCan dread with a storm bolter though, but it generally footslogs in front of the mortis AC dread. To be honest you can't knock an AssCan on any platform IMO and the Flamer acts as a good anti-charge deterrent and horde killer. And any extra tele homers or locator beacons in a DW army is a boon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3784594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disciple of Caliban Sgt Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 That's what I thought I love the HF AssCan combo on the dread I figure a army with maxed AssCan's probably would do well against just about any army with enough RoF to deal with hordes and should smoke a tank or two at least a transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294664-dreadnought-or-deathwing/#findComment-3784645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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