Assistance Required

[Marshal Rohr]

I am in need of some assistance from those of you with the time and temperament to delve into the minutiae of the 30K setting. Darth Potato and I have been struggling to decipher the organizational structure of the VII Legion from Extermination, without much luck. More than likely, the authors didn't want to hamstring anyone by setting up a rigid structure that might turn people off, but for others (like myself and Darth) it is increasingly difficult to comprehend exactly what we are trying to do, because the details conflict in some areas.

First, I'll start with the simplest portion.

Obviously, this doesn't look too out of the ordinary, right? Until you realize that at every level of the hierarchy is a Captain. There is only one mention of Centurions leading companies, "Beneath the senior captains were the line captains and centurions, who led the legions battalions and companies." (HH: Extermination, p. 64). This, in itself, wouldn't be an issue if Alexis Polux, Sigismund, Tyr, Efried, etc didn't command their own companies. There are no mentions of Centurions leading companies, always Captains.

Naturally, this arises from the fact that most of those captains were written about before Extermination was released, but now that its out, how is it meant to be reconciled?

My extrapolation is that Captain and Centurion are synonymous, and that the commander of the battalion is senior captain in the battalion, and the commander of the chapter is the senior captain in the chapter, and each commands his own company instead of being part of a command staff that has no direct maneuver element beneath them. This is supported by the Crimson Fist, since Polux is both commander of the 405th Company and Fleetmaster of the Retribution Fleet. He has a position in the overall hierarchy of the fleet at its head, while also being responsible for a maneuver element under his command.

Anyway, does anyone have any thoughts or information they might've gleaned from chats with John French or Alan Bligh? Or even their own personal interpretation?

[Kizzdougs]

My extrapolation is that Captain and Centurion are synonymous, and that the commander of the battalion is senior captain in the battalion, and the commander of the chapter is the senior captain in the chapter, and each commands his own company instead of being part of a command staff that has no direct maneuver element beneath them. This is supported by the Crimson Fist, since Polux is both commander of the 405th Company and Fleetmaster of the Retribution Fleet. He has a position in the overall hierarchy of the fleet at its head, while also being responsible for a maneuver element under his command. 

 

This is pretty how I see it. I don't have any valuable insights from either Mr. French or Bligh, as I live on the wrong side of the globe :P

 

As far as I can tell 'Praetor' and 'Centurion' are simply two cover all titles, each representing numerous different ranks.

 

My interpretation was that Captain and Centurion were indeed synonymous. According to Betrayal Centurions are the Legion's Champions and line officers. A Centurion could be a Company Captain leading a thousand or more marines.

 

Praetors are the most veteran commanders within the Legions. They are Lord Commanders, Chapter Masters and First Captains. Each would lead aprox. ten thousand legionaries. In the case of the First Captain they may only have official command over a single company, but are just as likely to be put in command of a whole expeditionary fleet, encompassing several companies or even chapters.

 

This is just my interpretation of course

[Ordo Machinum]

Going back to Betrayal...

 

page 30, Battalion leaders were alternatively referred to as Lieutenant Commanders, Commanders, First Captains, etc. All being equal regardless of title.

 

page 31, Company Captains are alternatively known as Centurions.

 

Now, originally a Legion was divided into Chapters, which were divided into Battalions, which were divided into Companies.

 

As Captain Polux said in Crimson Fist, "But we are Imperial Fists and form and order is not something we put aside easily."

 

[edit: Ah, kizzdougs beat me to it. ]

 

If the IF went by the "traditional" usage of the disposition chart for Legions, then since Polux commanded 405th Company, allowing 5-10 companied per battalion with 2 battalions per chapter, than the IF had at least 10-20 chapters to reach 405 companies. .

[Marshal Rohr]

Agreed, to both.

 

Do you think that, on the table at least, the standard centurion unit is better used to represent specialist commanders instead of full company commanders? Like a Centurion in Terminator Armor would be the leader of a Terminator Assault Echelon, but not necessarily a captain?

[Ordo Machinum]

Yes, I do. I think using a Centurion is perfect in the manner you suggest.

 

I've been working on something similar in planning a few model builds for "historical" recreations of Heresy battles. Recreations like the Night Lords versus Invincible Reason and the Battle of Phall, Taking of the Contrador, and the ever popular Operation: Iron Blood - Execute Perturabo!

 

Breaking down the Dark Angels' six wings structure has also caused me to ponder similar questions. The mentioned commanders of the Deathwing and Dreadwing were both Sergeants, not Captains. They led two wing detachments of the Dark Angels, numbering at least 100 legionnaires each.

 

Should a Centurion or Praetor stats be used?, etc...

 

Captain Tyr of the imperial Fists' 6th Company... should he be a Centurion or Praetor? He was above the normal rank and file IF commander, one of the Primarch Dorn's and Sigismund's favourites. I would say he was a Praetor level. Giving him terminator armour and a mace (thunderhammer?) places him around the same level of points as Polux.

 

Put a terminator squad with him and he's around Perturabo's points for a fairly even match. Get those Zone Mortalis boards ready.

[Kilofix]

I've been thinking about this myself - with regards to Death Guard and Word Bearers.

 

I think the trick is that (despite what is described in HH1) many Legions don't have separate Battalion or Chapter Commands as follows:

 

 

Instead Companies are the deployable sub-units, each commanded by a Captain. If a group of Companies are deployed then the most senior Captain leads (the same Captain that usually leads a Company), not a separate Battalion Command. If enough Companies are deployed to from a Chapter, then again the most senior Captain leads, not a separate Chapter Command. If one or more Chapters are deployed, the Primarch leads - as follows:

 

 

Edit - Meaning to say, I think in most cases Centurion / Captain is the most permanent rank.

 

In most cases, Senior Captain of a Battalion, is just a termporary role filled by what would otherwise be a regular Captain (albeit the most senior one) when Companies gather.

 

That said Captains of certain Companies of certain Legions have specific titles like Lord Commander Eidolon or Battle Captain Garro.

[Ordo Machinum]

Part of the challenge is between some of Extermination's fluff mentioning, for example, the 5th Battalion of the VII Legion doing such and such and some of the novels not breaking everything down into the finer details by having their Captains take center stage.

 

Not-to-mention the practicality of war plans with who it needs and where they should be to be commanded primarily by the Hero du jour.

 

Also, with the mind-numbingly huge numbers of legionnaires that get mentioned, there are surely some forces varying in size and disposition to others.

[Marshal Rohr]

That's what it reads like, Kilofix. The IF, SoH, RG, and NL all seem to have a ad hoc battalion organization (the five companies assigned to a war zone are nominally a battalion, etc). While the EC, Iron Hands, and Salamanders seem to have more permanent battalion structures. So far only the EC, IH, and Salamanders have commanders without their own maneuver unit (Iron-Lords, Lord Commanders, and Masters).

 

From this, I gather that of I wanted to represent a formation that is outside the company structure (like destroyers), Archangels suggestion may be the best course of action to represent legion sub-commanders.

 

Archangel, I'm interested in trying to model a terminator assault echelon for my own company and wanted to have a separate Terminator Commander represent them, because I want my captain in artificer armor fighting the the Breacher Phalanx. The terminator Centurion would be as barebones as I could get him, because I want him to be a veteran legionary and not necessarily an officer. You're absolutely right that Tyr would definitely be Praetor level and now you've got me all distracted wanted to make a conversion of him with his mace :D

[Marshal Rohr]

Part of the challenge is between some of Extermination's fluff mentioning, for example, the 5th Battalion of the VII Legion doing such and such and some of the novels not breaking everything down into the finer details by having their Captains take center stage.

 

Not-to-mention the practicality of war plans with who it needs and where they should be to be commanded primarily by the Hero du jour.

 

Also, with the mind-numbingly huge numbers of legionnaires that get mentioned, there are surely some forces varying in size and disposition to others.

The numbering of the battalions is the biggest hang up, since they don't seem to be sequential. As in, the 333rd Company could be in the 7th Battalion. That makes sense if a battalion is the designation for the assigned companies on a ship or something, but a formal battalion indicates a formal battalion commander.

 

Edit: It also seems like siege and fleet masters command companies, but Seneschals don't, since Rann is a squad commander in Templar but a higher level commander in Extermination.

[Ordo Machinum]

Not everything is "apparently" sequential. You can't have your enemy knowing what and how many of your troops at coming at him.

 

"Look it's the 257th! They've got X-number of companies..." etc.

 

Besides, during the Heresy, they get moved around and reassigned so much it may not be a real issue. In one of the novels, the Lion selected several "orders" to a mission he was leading. He didn't say, Orders 1 through 5. He used what he had.

 

The IF, going by the battalion example from Extermination, even dedicates battalions to specific unit types. The one battalion in Extermination was comprised of all heavy units. Another "free to do as you will" in your formation. You can be seemingly liberal, but in fact organized.

 

Good, if you build your Captain Tyr I will be free to ponder other Legions to build instead. Bwah-ha-ha. The VII will never get me...

 

...as long as I don't see the Perturabo figure. Than I'm bound to build Tyr and his 53 terminators. And some of the 1700 other IF that accompanied him. Aaarghh!

[Marshal Rohr]

I was thinking maybe it has something to do with being more fleet based. Sure, all the Legions at this point are Fleet based, but the firsts are specifically mentions to the masters of naval warfare. Maybe the ad-hoc nature comes from the restrictions of what can go on each ship? Like a chapter is formed from the entire complement of Imperial Fists in an expeditionary fleet, but it has a different number of battalions/companies compared to another Expeditionary fleet. 

[Hyaenidae]

Also, think of it this way. Imagine the very first Legion companies on Terra during the Unification. By the time the very first member of the VII Legion raised a bolter and blew away a secessionist, their companies maybe totaled a few dozen Legionaries, tops. The squads were surely numbered, and were perhaps the embryonic source of future companies. As new recruits flooded in, these senior squads became the command structure of new companies. But their honours and history were still sealed to their past.

 

Fast forward to the assault on Luna. Now ranged in newly founded Battalions, these VII Legion units consisted of true companies, but still with a point of origin, with their history and honours still stretching that far back. Thus, II Battalion may have four companies, but their numbering system still held to the squads older designation, so as not to disrespect those who fought and died before. Thus, the alpha company could be 16th Company, a retained number from their days when the 16th stood at barely a few dozen men.

 

Now, the Great Crusade itself. The Imperial Fists now stand in the tens of thousands. The Legion is constantly at war, and let's face it.... there are a crap ton of enemies who have filled in the gaps of mankinds' former empire, and many of their are vastly powerful. Battalions are broken from losses, Companies cease to exist entirely, or are reduced to bare minimum of men. Again, to honour and remember those who died, the numbering system of their now-antiquated companies are retained, to pass on the honours and glories of the past. II Battalion is gone, and is now newly founded as the XXIV Battalion, consisting of the 10th, 16th, 42nd, and 112th Companies. Some are the original Unification era units that were the dozen or so me. Others are newly founded.

 

And on, and on, and on, for 400+ years.

[Relict]

I ran into a similar problem while trying to figure out the organization for my World Eaters. 

 

This is my interpretation: 

 

- Every Legion, at its inception, followed the Terran pattern of organization as shown in Betrayal. 

 

- Over time, as the Primarchs were found, the Terran pattern became modified to suit the temperaments of the Primarch and Legion in question. In some cases, it became almost completely unrecognizable but never fully discarded. 

 

- Forget the various names the Legions gave their formations. Think of it this way: no matter what name it happens to be under, a group of 10-20 Legionaries filling the same tactical function is still a squad led by a sergeant. Likewise for a company. Likewise for a chapter. The battalion is a more ad hoc formation - I like to think of it as a temporary task force formed within a chapter for a specific campaign (for example, to crush X number of xenos on Y planet, we shall require a Terminator company, three line companies, and an armored company. We group them together in a battalion and put the ranking captain in charge for the duration of this operation). 

 

- A Centurion is a company commander leading anywhere between 100 to 1000 Legionaries. A Praetor is a chapter commander that has a number of Centurions reporting to him. 

 

- Specialized formations (Destroyer Cadres, Apothecarion Detachments, Dreadnought Talons) are not necessarily organic to companies. They are chapter assets that may be attached to any company in need of them. 

 

Finally, remember the scale of the Great Crusade - tens of thousands of expeditionary fleets and hundreds of thousands of armies pushing relentlessly outward. An exact and consistent record is impossible to come by. It is entirely possible for the highest numbered company to exceed the actual number of active companies in a Legion. Remember that entire Grand Battalions of Iron Warriors were so cut off from the main force under Perturabo that they were completely ignorant of their Legion's fall. 

[Kol Saresk]

I'd also think that Expedition Fleets that were isolated for long periods of time would also grow and evolve into their own unique structures over time.

[marine7312000]

If you look at the modern US military and how units are designated, you can come up with a workable idea of why units have such odd numbers. I've served in units that have been known as the 57th Battalion of its type. Another unit, under the same higher echelon command, was known as 62nd battalion. To my knowledge, there are no current units that fall between those two numbers that are the same unit type. Where there units in the past that fell between the two numbers? I'm sure there were at some point. However, at the current time, there are not. Rather than renumber the unit, the military keeps the unit designation and the history that comes with that designation. Also remember that a unit may be re-designated/ re-numbered based on a change in responsibility.

[Ordo Machinum]

From Extermination, IF favoured specialist squads, assaults, and heavies. Terminators were abundant as well.

 

How does this look for a rough baseline company list?

Roughly 1200 legionnaires. Could be why Dorn didn't want to shrink his "companies" into smaller successor "chapters".

 

LEGIO VII - IMPERIAL FISTS

 

LEGION COMMAND
HQ Legion Primarch Rogal Dorn
HQ Legion Honour Guard

 

ORDER COMMAND
HQ Legion Senior Captain (Praetor) of "X" Regiment/Crusade/Household
HQ Legion Command Squad - including Champion
HQ Legion Elites Line Captain (Centurion)
HQ Legion Troop Assault Line Captain (Centurion)
HQ Legion Troop Breacher Siege Line Captain (Centurion)
HQ Legion Troop Tactical Line Captain (Centurion)
HQ Legion Fast Attack Line Captain (Centurion)
HQ Legion Heavy Support Line Captain (Centurion)

 

ORDER APOTHECARIUM
EL Legion Apothecarion Detachment
EL Legion Apothecarion Detachment
EL Legion Apothecarion Detachment

 

ORDER MECHANICUM
EL Legion Techmarine Covenant
EL Legion Techmarine Covenant
EL Legion Techmarine Covenant
EL Legion Rapier Battery
EL Legion Rapier Battery
EL Legion Rapier Battery
FA Legion Tarantula Sentry Gun Battery
FA Legion Tarantula Sentry Gun Battery
FA Legion Tarantula Sentry Gun Battery

 

ORDER MANUFACTORUM (Lords of War)
LW Legion Fellblade Super-heavy Tank
LW Legion Typhon Heavy Siege Tank
LW Legion Thunderhawk Gunship
LW Legion Thunderhawk Transporter
LW Legion Cerebus Heavy Tank Destroyer
LW Legion Malcador Assault Tank
LW Legion Glaive Super-heavy Spec Weapons Tank
LW Legion Falchion Super-heavy Tank Destroyer
LW Legion Stormblade Super-heavy Tank

 

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
DT Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier
DT Legion Drop Pod
DT Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod
FA Anvillus Pattern Deadclaw Drop Pod
HS Deathstorm Drop Pod
HS Kharybdis Assault Claw

 

ELITES (200 legionnaires)
EL IF Templar Brethren (10)
EL IF Templar Brethren (10)
EL IF Templar Brethren (10)
EL IF Templar Brethren (10)
EL IF Templar Brethren (10)
EL IF Templar Brethren (10)
EL Legion Terminator Squad (10)
EL Legion Terminator Squad (10)
EL Legion Terminator Squad (10)
EL Legion Terminator Squad (10)
EL Legion Terminator Squad (10)
EL Legion Terminator Squad (10)
EL Legion Terminator Squad (10)
EL Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (10)
EL Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (10)
EL Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (10)
EL Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (10)
EL Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (10)
EL Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (10)
EL Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (10)
EL Legion Dreadnought Talon (?)
EL Legion Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (?)
EL Legion Mortis Dreadnought (?)
EL Legion Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought (?)

 

TROOPS ASSAULT (200 legionaires)
TR Legion Assault Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Assault Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Assault Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Assault Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Assault Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Assault Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Assault Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Despoiler Squad (20)
TR Legion Despoiler Squad (20)
TR Legion Despoiler Squad (20)

 

TROOPS BREACHER SIEGE (200 legionnaires)
TR Legion Breacher Siege Squad (20)
TR Legion Breacher Siege Squad (20)
TR Legion Breacher Siege Squad (20)
TR Legion Breacher Siege Squad (20)
TR Legion Breacher Siege Squad (20)
TR Legion Breacher Siege Squad (20)
TR Legion Breacher Siege Squad (20)
TR Legion Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Tactical Squad (20)

 

TROOPS TACTICAL (200 legionnaires)
TR Legion Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Tactical Squad (20)
TR Legion Tactical Support Squad (10)
TR Legion Tactical Support Squad (10)
TR Legion Tactical Support Squad (10)
TR Legion Reconnaissance Squad (10)
TR Legion Reconnaissance Squad (10)
TR Legion Reconnaissance Squad (10)

 

FAST ATTACK (200 legionnaires)
FA IF Phalanx Warder Squad (10)
FA IF Phalanx Warder Squad (10)
FA IF Phalanx Warder Squad (10)
FA IF Phalanx Warder Squad (10)
FA IF Phalanx Warder Squad (10)
FA Legion Outrider Squadron (10)
FA Legion Outrider Squadron (10)
FA Legion Outrider Squadron (10)
FA Attack Bike Squadron (5A-BK) (10)
FA Attack Bike Squadron (5A-BK) (10)
FA Attack Bike Squadron (5A-BK) (10)
FA Legion Seeker Squad (10)
FA Legion Seeker Squad (10)
FA Legion Jetbike Skyhunter Squadron (10)
FA Legion Jetbike Skyhunter Squadron (10)
FA Legion Jetbike Skyhunter Squadron (10)
FA Legion Land Speeder Squadron (5 LS) (10)
FA Legion Land Speeder Squadron (5 LS) (10)
FA Legion Land Speeder Squadron (5 LS) (10)
FA Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship (2)
FA Legion Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter (2)
FA Legion Javelin Attack Speeder (2)
FA Legion Javelin Attack Speeder (2)
FA Legion Javelin Attack Speeder (2)

 

HEAVY SUPPORT (200 legionnaires - incl. tank crews)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with autocannons (5)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with multi-meltas (5)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with heavy bolters (10)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with heavy flamers (10)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with lascannons (10)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with missile launchers (10)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with plasma cannons (10)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with volkite culverins (10)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with heavy bolters (10)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with heavy flamers (10)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with lascannons (10)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with missile launchers (10)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with plasma cannons (10)
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad with volkite culverins (10)
HS Legion Predator Strike Armour Squadron (3 Preds) (6)
HS Legion Predator Strike Armour Squadron (3 Preds) (6)
HS Legion Predator Strike Armour Squadron (3 Preds) (6)
HS Legion Land Raider Battle Squadron (3 Phobos) (6)
HS Legion Land Raider Battle Squadron (3 Proteus) (6)
HS Legion Land Raider Battle Squadron (3 Achilles) (6)
HS Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (3 Basilisk) (6)
HS Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (3 Medusa) (6)
HS Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (3 Whirlwinds) (6)
HS Legion Vindicator (2)
HS Legion Spartan Assault Tank (2)
HS Legion Caestus Assault Tank (2)
HS Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (2)
HS Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (2)
HS Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (2)
HS Legion Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land Raider (2)
HS Legion Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer (2)

 

REFERENCE: THE IMPERIAL FIST LEGION CRUSADE ARMY LIST

 

SUBJECT      HH BOOK & PAGES

 

THE IMPERIAL FISTS    III 56-77
APPENDIX XI: Legion Specifics   III 266-267

 

HEADQUARTERS
HQ IF Sigismund, First Captain   III 270
HQ IF Alexis Polux, Captain of the 405th Co. III 271
HQ Legion Praetor     I 188-189
HQ Legion Centurion     I 190-191
HQ Legion Command Squad    I 192-193

 

ELITES
EL IF Templar Brethren     III 268
EL Legion Veteran Tactical Squad  I 194 
EL Legion Terminator Squad   I 196
EL Techmarine Covenant    I 197
EL Apothecarion Detachment   I 198
EL Legion Dreadnought Talon   I 199
EL Contemptor Dreadnought Talon   I 200
EL Legion Rapier Weapons Battery  I 201
EL Legion Mortis Dreadnought   II 194
EL Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought  II 195 

 

TROOPS
TR Legion Tactical Squad   I 202
TR Legion Assault Squad    I 203
TR Legion Breacher Siege Squad   I 204
TR Legion Tactical Support Squad  I 205
TR Legion Reconnaissance Squad   I 206

 

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
DT Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier  I 207
DT Legion Drop Pod    I 208
DT Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod   II 204

 

FAST ATTACKS
FA IF Phalanx Warder Squad   III 269
FA Legion Seeker Squad    I 210
FA Legion Outrider Squad   I 211
FA Legion Attack Bike Squadron   I 212
FA Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron  I 213
FA Legion Land Speeder Squadron   I 214
FA Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship  I 215
FA Tarantula Sentry Gun Battery   II 196-197
FA Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter  II 198-199
FA Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron II 200
FA Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod  III 235

 

HEAVY SUPPORTS
HS Legion Heavy Support Squad   I 216
HS Legion Predator Strike Armr Squadron  I 217
HS Legion Land Raider Battle Squadron  I 218-219
HS 0-1 Legion Artillery Tank Squadron  I 220
HS Legion Vindicator    I 221
HS Legion Spartan Assault Tank   I 222
HS Legion Caestus Assault Ram   I 223
HS Deathstorm Drop Pod    II 201
HS Legion Whirlwind Scorpius   II 202
HS Legion Sicaran Battle Tank   II 203
HS Legion Kharybdis Assault Claw  III 236-237
HS Legion Fire Raptor Gunship   III 238
HS Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land Raider  III 239
HS Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer  III 240
       
LORDS OF WAR
LW IF Rogal Dorn, Primarch of the Iron Fists III 272-273
LW Legion Fellblade Super-heavy Tank  I 224
LW Legion Typhon Heavy Siege Tank  I 225
LW Legion Thunderhawk Gunship   I 226
LW Legion Thunderhawk Transporter  I 227
LW Legion Cerebus Heavy Tank Desytroyer  I 228
LW Legion Malcador Assault Tank   I 229
LW Legion Glaive Super-heavy Spec Weapons Tank II 205
LW Legion Falchion Super-heavy Tank Destroyer III 241
LW Legion Stormblade Super-heavy Tank  III 242-243 

 

FORTIFICATIONS        
FT Imperial Castellum Stronghold  III 244-245

 

SPACE MARINE LEGION WARGEAR   I 230-239