Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Let me start this off with I don't intend this thread to be a wine party about lost models, we a Space Wolves, we drink mjod and take things as the come. Mostly I am curious 1 to see how many models people will have to re do, 2 what they plan to do with them, and 3 any saga a particular lost model might have that should be recounted as sagas are recounted of the dead. Near as I can tell I had 7 models fully invalidated, all mark of the wolfen guys. I also had 5 grey hunter banner guys and with the new rules of 1 per detachment I will be cutting back on those as well. I intend to simply remodel my wulfen guys as grey hunters (fortunately they hadn't met the paint brush yet) and simply remove the banners from 4 of the banner carriers. There is one wulfen who will not be disassembled. For he had a short but glorious saga that I wish to keep him in honor of and perhaps even make a small diorama of. Kjarl Tempestborn was a member of the grey hunter pack Logans claw. The pack was podded in to relieve a hive world from an ork invasion. The moment the pod landded the brave fenrisians destroyed an ork killakan with a blast from their meltas. However, as the smoke cleared tgere was a deafening roar from the other side of the wreckage. 30 ork boys were charging their location. The wolves fought valiantly killing 7 boys the boy as tore through their power armor as if driven by some mystical force (read rolled 4 2s, 5 1 and a 6 for power armor saves on 10 wounds) killing all but Kjarl Tempestborn who had succumbed to the wolf inside. He proceeded to shrug off every wound and Butcher the squad of ork's (over the course of 3 turns) after which he was gunned down by lootas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Both my Chain Fist / Storm Shield Lone Wolves are useless now. Even though they both reaped an impressive tally of foes in their time. I'll miss them, and then model up some more. I need more terminators... End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnavaer Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Kjarl sounds like he would make an ideal Lone Wolf to me brother so maybe a fitting reward would be a remodelling of him in TDA with some suitably nasty weapons so he can carry on his glorious saga on the battlefield As far as invalidating models I have been quite fortunate and apart from one or two weapon swaps on my wolf guards to bring them into line with the new dex I have escaped unscathed ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Well, my pack leaders were hit hard by 6th and no longer being able to hide their power fist in units, but that's neither here no there- Don't suppose anyone knows aagood way to remove arms? As of the new Dex, though, all I need to do is remove/remodel two standards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 Kjarl sounds like he would make an ideal Lone Wolf to me brother so maybe a fitting reward would be a remodelling of him in TDA with some suitably nasty weapons so he can carry on his glorious saga on the battlefield As far as invalidating models I have been quite fortunate and apart from one or two weapon swaps on my wolf guards to bring them into line with the new dex I have escaped unscathed ! Hmm I like this one may have to get some termi bits of eBay. .. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacton Qruze Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 looks like my lone wolves will have to get reworked. my motw models were repped by a ghoul claw, but really, that's not a big deal, and I'm not pulling the arms off. I'm also not removing my squad banners, just getting a bigger company standard for my single WB, because... well, you guys know how much I love painting banners. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 That's true IQ it's definitely not worth removing your awesome banners that would be sad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrogzc Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Please!!!! Don't cut any wolf standard! Just use them as regular grey hunters and if you are going to add a legal "wolf standard", just model a new one that could be the most spectacular wolf standard you could achieve, so no one misunderstand that this is the Standard. Additionally, what refrains you from using mark of wulfen models as regular grey hunters?! Lastly, wait until Gw release this codex faqs. Perhaps missing SS+CF is just an errata. Enjoy new codex and new formations from Champions of Fenris! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I will need to find a way to repurpose all of the sculpted and purchased bits I intended to use for a handful of Choosers. Along with hand sculpting ravens, I intended to kit bash a couple valkyries from some VC and DE bits. Got pretty lucky. I magnetized my special weapons and back banners, so I only have one model unable to drop said banner which works out. Magnetized my WG too. Probably going to see about trimming down on my GH packs and find ones that would be suitable for demotion to BC. I think I'm just mostly sad for the Choosers. Guess I'll just make them objectives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastellan Kong Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 My two mark of the wulfen GH. Nothing else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Let me start this off with I don't intend this thread to be a wine party about lost models, we a Space Wolves, we drink mjod and take things as the come. I intend to simply remodel my wulfen guys as grey hunters (fortunately they hadn't met the paint brush yet) and simply remove the banners from 4 of the banner carriers. At first I thought you meant "a whine party" but then I realised you just didn't want anyone mistaking us for wine sipping Blood Angels. I don't see why you need to remodel MotW Grey Hunters or remove banners. They're just decorative now so leave them on to keep your army looking awesome. Well, my pack leaders were hit hard by 6th and no longer being able to hide their power fist in units, but that's neither here no there- Don't suppose anyone knows aagood way to remove arms? As of the new Dex, though, all I need to do is remove/remodel two standards. The Fenrisian answer would be an axe, but as a modeller I'd say either a sturdy modelling knife blade in the armpit to carefully prise open the joint or a razor saw - it all depends on the type and quantity of glue you used. Please!!!! Don't cut any wolf standard! Just use them as regular grey hunters and if you are going to add a legal "wolf standard", just model a new one that could be the most spectacular wolf standard you could achieve, so no one misunderstand that this is the Standard. Additionally, what refrains you from using mark of wulfen models as regular grey hunters?! Lastly, wait until Gw release this codex faqs. Perhaps missing SS+CF is just an errata. Enjoy new codex and new formations from Champions of Fenris! Seconded. It seems that Champions of Fenris will keep my Loganwing legit. I don't yet know how many models have been invalidated as I don't know what the TDAWG weapon combos are yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 18. Including two lone wolves and two choosers of the slain. The wulfen I can kinda hold onto, as plebs in the units, but Ive included them anyway as theyre no longer WYSIWYG. The ones Im most annoyed about are the banners, Id converted up 6 of them less than a year ago, and I cant use them at all, because you cant have more than one per detach now, so having them as decoration is really just not possible. Basically, Im losing out on all my favorite conversions, the wulfen, the lone wolves, the standards. All of them were lovingly converted to a higher standard than the rest of the army. I really hate it when GW just straight out invalidates models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 Let me start this off with I don't intend this thread to be a wine party about lost models, we a Space Wolves, we drink mjod and take things as the come. I intend to simply remodel my wulfen guys as grey hunters (fortunately they hadn't met the paint brush yet) and simply remove the banners from 4 of the banner carriers. At first I thought you meant "a whine party" but then I realised you just didn't want anyone mistaking us for wine sipping Blood Angels. I don't see why you need to remodel MotW Grey Hunters or remove banners. They're just decorative now so leave them on to keep your army looking awesome. Well, my pack leaders were hit hard by 6th and no longer being able to hide their power fist in units, but that's neither here no there- Don't suppose anyone knows aagood way to remove arms? As of the new Dex, though, all I need to do is remove/remodel two standards. The Fenrisian answer would be an axe, but as a modeller I'd say either a sturdy modelling knife blade in the armpit to carefully prise open the joint or a razor saw - it all depends on the type and quantity of glue you used. Please!!!! Don't cut any wolf standard! Just use them as regular grey hunters and if you are going to add a legal "wolf standard", just model a new one that could be the most spectacular wolf standard you could achieve, so no one misunderstand that this is the Standard. Additionally, what refrains you from using mark of wulfen models as regular grey hunters?! Lastly, wait until Gw release this codex faqs. Perhaps missing SS+CF is just an errata. Enjoy new codex and new formations from Champions of Fenris! Seconded. It seems that Champions of Fenris will keep my Loganwing legit. I don't yet know how many models have been invalidated as I don't know what the TDAWG weapon combos are yet. The wine party was an intentional play on words lol. And honestly I'm not to sad about altering my wulfen guys I was only pleased with one really anyway and he will be staying as is. Still back and forth with the banner guys will have to see what I can settle on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
obs0l3te Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 The only models I have that I can't use are my old metal wulfen thats it (but I can use them in APOC with the Sternhammers Wulfenguard unit). Yeah I had multiple guys with banners, but they will just get a new paint job to represent the diffrent great commpanies. I do have ONE question though... maybe off topic... why can't Lone Wolves with TDA have SS and Chainfist? It clearly says in the codex Terminator Weapons... then if you go under the terminator list it says Chain Fist and Storm Shield.... So whats the argument against? Or have people not read the book? I plan on using my SS CF TDA Lone wolves and forever crush stronghold assault players! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykryl Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 What's wrong with wine? I keep a jug of sangria by my work table. Actually I need to clean off the table, it's getting hard to keep track of bits among my collection of stout and cider bottles. I think I've only had my single Lone Wolf invalidated. I'd bought some Mythicast wulfen but never got anywhere with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 All my old metal 13th Co Wulfen....gone. And my goal of making my GH packs randomly equipped with bolters/pistols/chainsword has basically made about half of them illegal if I choose not to pay the extra points. Might be looking at an eBay sale and full build from scratch with my Sanctus Reach set as foundation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I do have ONE question though... maybe off topic... why can't Lone Wolves with TDA have SS and Chainfist? It clearly says in the codex Terminator Weapons... then if you go under the terminator list it says Chain Fist and Storm Shield.... So whats the argument against? Or have people not read the book? I plan on using my SS CF TDA Lone wolves and forever crush stronghold assault players! Read that list again. Both chainfist and storm shield can only be exchanged for the model's power weapon, so you can't take both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I've not got the new codex yet, please can someone list the weapon upgrade options for TDAWG?! I'm in suspense here and can't answer this question properly until I know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I've not got the new codex yet, please can someone list the weapon upgrade options for TDAWG?! I'm in suspense here and can't answer this question properly until I know. I... Think that might go too far post rumor season. What I can say; Swap power weapon for any of the old options; swap storm bolter for combi-weapon, wolf claw, or thunder hammer, and hammernator and double wolf claw loadouts get discounted I believe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I magnetized almost all the wolves I've built so far to some degree (and 100% of the TDA) thank feth. I'm lucky, all I've lost are 3/4 converted banners and their attached arms. After the Great TDA Massacre with the chaos codex (which was faq'ed, admittedly) I'd never build a TDA model without magnets, but I'm also lucky in that I'm new to wolves compared to some of the long fangs here, so mine are recent works, all plastic, all magged, etc (and an embarrassing number of them still not completely assembled). I feel bad for the folks who've been hit hard by this, it seems this 'dex has really pulled the rug out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
obs0l3te Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 ahh yeap just noticed that... noticed they even added in the option for two wolf claws though... that is slightly interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I've not got the new codex yet, please can someone list the weapon upgrade options for TDAWG?! I'm in suspense here and can't answer this question properly until I know.I... Think that might go too far post rumor season. What I can say; Swap power weapon for any of the old options; swap storm bolter for combi-weapon, wolf claw, or thunder hammer, and hammernator and double wolf claw loadouts get discounted I believe. Thanks. As people have written out the sagas and formations and even points costs for the relics I thought this wouldn't be too controversial, that said I don't know if any of those posts have since been melta'd by the mods. So, if I've understood you correctly the following are no longer legit: Power axe and Storm Shield Chainfist and Storm Shield Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Let's see, I'll just list them out: 1. One Chooser of the Slain made out of a Servo Skull that'll just slide over to my Grey Knights army. 2. Four MotW models that were just regular Bolt Pistol and CCW models, but with a special shoulder pad that are easily incorporated into my Blood Claws pack, to bring it up to 15 models. 3. Four models with Wolf Standards that used the backpack standard from the plastic boxes set that I'll just leave as is; they'll just be decorative now. For the new 'actual' Wolf Standard, I'll probably just buy that Finecast SW model with the tall Banner and Power Axe, and use him; I'll do a head swap though, as I think the one he comes with looks goofy. 4. A Lone Wolf in TDA with Storm Shield and Chainfist based off of the Arjak model; simple fix to just give Arjak his Thunderhammer back and continue to use as a Lone Wolf. That's pretty much it. Easy fixes all around, and almost negligible impact to my army. That is one significant benefit to the new approach of "rules for every model, and a model for everything with rules." V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Does the fact that GH buy their ccw upgrades individually mean that I have to stick a ccw on all my boltgun-only GH models if I want to upgrade the whole pack because uhhhhh I really don't want to do that. I guess I can get away with just telling my opponent the whole pack has the upgrade (I'm not going to have any mixed packs where only some of them do) but I don't want wysiwyg arguments and idk how big an issue it's likely to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Didn't the codex make it pretty clear that it needed to be represented on the model? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294861-invalidated-models/#findComment-3771772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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