VVolf Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I have taken this from waaaggaming and have not confirmed if it is true but... For our english friends, I try to translate these information: It is very likely that we will see the Codex some time soon. The Interactive Edition of the Space Wolves Codex contains the Army Builder for the Grey Knights including points cost. - Libby (Librarian?) much cheaper - Terminators cheaper (2 points more than a Chaos Terminator, still Troops Choice) - no new Units - Inquisition no longer in the Codex - Draigo Lord of War There is more to read: Techmarine is still in the Codex Mordrak and Thawn are out, same for every entry without a modell - Points cost of the Strike Squad is unchanged - The number of heavy Weapons in a squad has not changed - halberd costs 2 pts for all units, falchions 4, warding staff 5 and hammer 10 - The ranged weapons have been changed, flamer 5, psilencer 10, psycannon 15 - The close combat weapons for the terminators cost the same as for the non terminators but ranged weapons are 5 points more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrick Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 i just read this as well... someone hold me, i am scared :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3771822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lt051 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Those weapon costs don't make a lot of sense unless the psylencer gets an overhaul of some sort. Would hate to loose free terminator weapon options but I guess it's more likely than not Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3771842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VVolf Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 According to warseer... psybolts are gone, as are psychic pilots. Although it does look like the army builder info may be incomplete. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3771849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
temneb Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 It's weird, I've sometimes got the wolves builder and sometimes the grey knights builder. Ask if you want to know anything and I'll look it up when it next happens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3771947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 - Libby (Librarian?) much cheaper- Terminators cheaper (2 points more than a Chaos Terminator, still Troops Choice) - no new Units - Inquisition no longer in the Codex - Draigo Lord of War Cheaper Librarian is excellent, he's currently overpriced compared to a GM. Mastery upgrade is probably the same though, so we save probably 50 points all up. Cheaper Terminators I like No new units is cool, it means they won't nerf the hell out of our existing roster to push some new kits (vis a vis, Ork codex) Inquisition gone was expected. Functionally it changes nothing, just take Coteaz allied. Draigo is meh, again largely expected after they moved Ghaz in the Ork dex. Techmarine is still in the CodexMordrak and Thawn are out, same for every entry without a modell (free shrugs) With 'Reconstruction' gone, Tech-Marines don't much going for them besides conversion beamers and orbital strike relays. Losing our characters is lame, we don't have many to begin with. - Points cost of the Strike Squad is unchanged- The number of heavy Weapons in a squad has not changed - halberd costs 2 pts for all units, falchions 4, warding staff 5 and hammer 10 - The ranged weapons have been changed, flamer 5, psilencer 10, psycannon 15 - The close combat weapons for the terminators cost the same as for the non terminators but ranged weapons are 5 points more Terminators are pretty competitve now then. For 34 points you get a Termie with 3A's, compared to 24 for a Strike Knight. Warding staff still 1 per squad? If not expect it to get spammed hard. Hammers going to 10 doesn't matter much, we only ever take 1-2 normally. Incinerator cost going down is a huge boon to Interceptors, they'll love that. Psilencer is probably still worthless. Psycannon price hike was expected, given how much we spam them in every list. Ranged costing 5 points more on Terminators is expected, due to Relentless. We'll see how much proves true, and what else has changed. I'm kinda okay with it so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3771972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Here is some more: Orchal wrote:A user of the main french warhammer forum (http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index...ic=221485&st=0) who bought the digital edition of the SW codex today reported that this new digital codex include a brand new army list builder app. But, what interest us, is that he also said that he was able to see in this new tool a different GK army list than the current one, maybe from the upcoming dex (due to a bug). Here is what he reported, of course i cannot tell you if this is 100% legit : HQ - Brother Captain (same point cost as before) -- Grand Master -- Melta bombs --Digital weapons -- Teleport Homer New relics : -- Master crafted -- Bone Shard of Solor -- The fury of Deimos -- Cuirass of Sacrifice -- The Soul Glaive -- Domina Liber Daemonica - Brother-Captain stern (less expensive than before, point drop = power weapon), - BrotherHood Champion - Castellan Crowe (more expensive than before) - Librarian (lvl 2), (point deacrase = GK rhino) -- Niveau 3 -- combi weapon -- GK cc weapon -- Melta-bombs -- Digital weapons --Teleport homer --Master-crafted -- relics - Techmarine, same cost as before TROOP - Strike Squad, a little more expensive - Terminator Squad, price less expensive than before (the point drop = price of nemesis scepter) -- no more justicar Thawn -- Land raider dedicated transport ELITE - Purifier Squad, a little more expensive than before - Paladin Squad, suaqd of 3 for the cost of a 5 man vanilla terminator squad -- Land raider as dedicated transport - Dreadnought, a little more expensive -- can become vénérable FAST ATTACK - Interceptor Squad, same cost as before -- Incinerator, huge discount as GK weapon's cost is the same for every entry now - Stormraven, HEAVY SUPPORT - Purgator Squad, un peu + cher qu'avant. RAS - Nemesis Dreadknight, same cost -- Personal teleporter has gone cheaper ! LORD OF WAR - Draigo Kaldor, cheaper. SO no more inquisition stuff on the dex. ps : as i'm french too i apology for the bad english Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3771998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Based on the layout of a screenshot that I've now seen, the 'Grand Master' is an upgrade option within the Brother-Captain screen of the digital tool. I doubt that it would play out that same way in a hardback codex, but it is interesting nonetheless. EDIT: Points costs have been erased: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lt051 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Are assassins still in the codex? Or were they stripped with inquisition? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 It's very surprising that all Marines in our dex are getting more expensive (terminators are essentially the same because they have to pay for weapons now). Especially considering the general price reductions gw have been doing for bade models. Making our already expensive and uncompetitive army even more so. I'm even more intrigued to what they actually do with our dex now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Apparently after a bit a googling, it's more likely that the army builder was waaaay incomplete, as apparently there were practically no vehicles present. And there is no option for psybolts. We've had them for ages, would also make our only viable anti armour (psydreads) far less effective. I seriously hope that it's just very much incomplete with these options missing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 It's hard to say with GW these days but I don't think they are gonna cut the GK off at the knees. Model sales would go down and that's really not what they're after. I'm really hoping that this is all just bogus info and very inaccurate especially since I just completed the painting of my army, my only second completely painted army in 20+ years. Let's just wait and see. *mumble grumble* AND even have my first ever assassin painted with it, humph. And take away our nemesis weapons, might as well give us chocolate chip cookies with out the chocolate chip! Just gonna haveta wait and see, always waiting (insert whistling here) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnImA8 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 These rumors need to be taken with a heap of salt imo. TDA GK's getting a significant points decrease while Strikes stay the same or possibly even increase? I HIGHLY doubt that.There's no reason for GW to remove Psybolt Ammo.Also I'd be incredibly surprised if GW removed whole swaths of Inquisition units from our codex and then didn't give us any new units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Also I'd be incredibly surprised if GW removed whole swaths of Inquisition units from our codex and then didn't give us any new units. Considering what happened to Orks, I would not be surprised. In fact I'd be perfectly happy if we got nothing new. Introducing new units inevitably means burying old staples with nerfs, so the new kits sell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 At that price, Termies will become a no-brainer. Also, NDK with teleporter, if it's cheaper overall, will become a no-brainer. Maybe Crowe will be more expensive but useful? edit: I also think that the Inquisition won't be in. Which means that GW will finally twist my arm into buying a digital codex (and something to read it on). I genuinely hate those.... ps: I know that hard copies are "available"... But I like to have a legit copy of evey codex I use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 At that price, Termies will become a no-brainer. Also, NDK with teleporter, if it's cheaper overall, will become a no-brainer. Maybe Crowe will be more expensive but useful? I'm happy. It'll encourage me to start taking Terminators again. Dreadknight is already an auto-include. Crowe can only improve, hopefully they have him IC status. edit: I also think that the Inquisition won't be in. Which means that GW will finally twist my arm into buying a digital codex (and something to read it on). I genuinely hate those.... >paying money for army books This isn't 2004 anymore man ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I know, but tablets of all kind are killing human interaction. You'll be playing and those will make all types of chirping sounds, enticing you opponent into checking that email/facebook/tweet/whatever. Of course, he'll interrupt the game every so often to show you the latest BoLS rumor of funny video of goats singing the Games of Throne theme song. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I know, but tablets of all kind are killing human interaction. You'll be playing and those will make all types of chirping sounds, enticing you opponent into checking that email/facebook/tweet/whatever. Of course, he'll interrupt the game every so often to show you the latest BoLS rumor of funny video of goats singing the Games of Throne theme song. Print it off? No one in my gaming group uses tablets regularly, only on the rare ocassions no one has a physical copy (usually for supplements or Inquisition). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 If weapons are the same price for termies and PAGK but termies get a price drop then it will be more economical to buy the upgrades for the terminators as they not only get to use their CCW (note i didn't say NFW ) but they also get 2 attacks base (unless our new strikes get 2A too) and they also get relentless to best use the ranged weapons with the CCW. If this is true I would imagine that terminators become the auto-include troops choice as strikes also lost warp quake while terms had no psychic power to lose in the first place. Paying 15 points for a psycannon would be better on a terminator than strike, even if the terminator costs 13 points more to make full use of the 2 extra shots (or whatever the psycannon becomes) and then full use of their CCW. I know, but tablets of all kind are killing human interaction. You'll be playing and those will make all types of chirping sounds, enticing you opponent into checking that email/facebook/tweet/whatever. Of course, he'll interrupt the game every so often to show you the latest BoLS rumor of funny video of goats singing the Games of Throne theme song. How is that killing human interaction, if anything it's increasing it. A friend of mine got an ASBO for having a party, for those not from the UK, an ASBO is an anti-social behavior order. Apparently having a party is not socially acceptable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Ha, I didn't think GW would sell printable format. I guess I can just buy it on the Black Library in a printable format? But then, do I get the automatic updates on the electronic file? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Noctis Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I really hope we don't lose Psyammo. That would be 3 sets of Autocannon arms down the drain I just paid for. >.> New Terminator prices are interesting though, maybe we could see a rise in their usage? I don't know how to feel about Psychic Pilot however. I don't think they'll remove it personally but I could be wrong. If they do, it'll suck because it's just free WC. :d Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Isn't Psychic Pilot in the main Rulebook now? Seems weird that they would remove it from our codex... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnImA8 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Take with some salt, but interesting none-the-lesshttp://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?48030-Grey-Knights-Rumour-Roundup I really hope we don't lose Psyammo. That would be 3 sets of Autocannon arms down the drain I just paid for. >.> New Terminator prices are interesting though, maybe we could see a rise in their usage? I don't know how to feel about Psychic Pilot however. I don't think they'll remove it personally but I could be wrong. If they do, it'll suck because it's just free WC. I really can't see it happening either. It's bizarre to me that there's so much of this idea that Grey Knights will just be stripped down without anything to take it's place: loss of Inquisition units, loss of Psy Ammo, loss of Psychic Pilot (what?) The loss of Inquisition units seems fairly well confirmed to me, but my point in including it in that list is to point out just how much people are talking about being stripped away from the codex for little reason and with nothing to take its place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Hi guys a full round up of the rumers is located on the bell of lost souls pages http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?48030-Grey-Knights-Rumour-Roundup Note ing that crow is not an IC but according to the post he can take an old school retinue squad as a body guard which sounds cool Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thraxdown Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I really hope we don't lose Psyammo. That would be 3 sets of Autocannon arms down the drain I just paid for. >.> New Terminator prices are interesting though, maybe we could see a rise in their usage? I don't know how to feel about Psychic Pilot however. I don't think they'll remove it personally but I could be wrong. If they do, it'll suck because it's just free WC. Hey now, it's more than just a free WC as it won me a game before when I avoided being tabled by passing a 6++ on a rhino and achieved a VP victory Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294879-apparent-7th-grey-knight-codex-information/#findComment-3772591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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