Apparent 7th Grey Knight codex information

[Exile Noctis]

Would make sense for an automatic option for our bolter weapons to automatically have Psyammo if the prices are going up.

 

As Valerian has said, I'm not worried about no new models as we don't really need them, we just need the odd fix here and there and we're good to go. Considering what we've heard about Terminators, they seem like an auto include to our armies now.

 

I will be annoyed if our dreads lose Psyammo though, RIP my AC arms :(

[lt051]

I hope that's not the solution, maybe some kind of targeting upgrade. 24" isn't ideal range but it beats nothing.

[Zeratil]

Would make sense for an automatic option for our bolter weapons to automatically have Psyammo if the prices are going up.

As Valerian has said, I'm not worried about no new models as we don't really need them, we just need the odd fix here and there and we're good to go. Considering what we've heard about Terminators, they seem like an auto include to our armies now.

I will be annoyed if our dreads lose Psyammo though, RIP my AC arms

AC dreads are still good without psybolt ammo though, especially with transports coming back due to the new damage chart.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

AC dreads are still good without psybolt ammo though, especially with transports coming back due to the new damage chart.

 

 

There is more to it than that though. S8 can insta-gib annoyances like Nobz, Tyranid Warriors etc. The difference between S7 and S8 is significant against vehicles as well, you go from 1/3 against AV12 to 1/2. Plus S8 can still rip HP off AV13 and even AV14 with enough hits. 

[AnImA8]

Reclusiarch is right. And if they were to make DNoughts Elites so we can have both DNoughts and Dknights, then losing psy ammo would be truly bitter-sweet...

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Reclusiarch is right. And if they were to make DNoughts Elites so we can have both DNoughts and Dknights, then losing psy ammo would be truly bitter-sweet...

 

 

(shrug) Purifiers kinda occupy Elites quite well. You also have to consider GK Dreads are a rarity, and GW traditionally put rare stuff into Heavy. If anything moving Dreads to Elites would make them less likely to be seen. 

 

I'm keen to see what the new codex does with Paladins. A price downgrade is practically guranteed at this point, given how Centurions are priced by comparison. Paying for weapons is lame but hopefully they'll come down enough that it won't matter. 

[Valerian]

From BOLS, not long to wait, at all:

 

All Pre-Orders August 16th
Release Date August 23rd

Sanctus Reach
Sanctus Reach: Hour of the Wolf $49.50 Hardback

Space Wolves
Warriors of the Fang $170 Plastic box
Space Wolves Skyclaws $37 Plastic box
Space Wolves Long Fangs $37 Plastic box

Grey Knights
Codex: Grey Knights $49.50 Hardback
Codex: Grey Knights (limited edition) $110 Hardback Book (web only)
Datacards: Grey Knights $8 Cards
Grey Knights Purifier Squad $33 Plastic box
Grey Knights Strike Squad $60 Plastic box
Grey Knights Paladin Squad $50 Plastic box
Grey Knights Nemesis Dreadknight $53.75 Plastic box
Grey Knights Land Raider $74.25 Plastic box
Grey Knights Venerable Dreadnought $46.30 Plastic box
Grey Knights Stormraven Gunship $82.50 Plastic box

Black Library
Horus Heresy: Horus Rising $9.99 Novel
Grey Knights Omnibus $17.50 Novel
Sanctus Reach: Blood on the Mountain $24 Novel
Sanctus Reach: Volume 2 $90 other book (web only)

[thraxdown]

So you save three bucks if you buy the strike squad? I doubt the purifier box comes with two psycannons. The venerable dreadnought is new?

[Valerian]

If you're right.. Then I'll have your babies haha.

The two that I've already had are plenty; I must respectfully decline.

 

 

Is there a confirmed release date yet? Or is it too early still?

23rd of August!

[Valerian]

 

http://www.warseer.com/forums/warseer/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Archibald_TK http://www.warseer.com/forums/warseer/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png

Btw was the new GK detachment mentioned? It's 1 HQ and 1 Troop minimum, can add +3 Troops, +4 Elite, +2 FA, +2 HS, the usual warlord reroll, units can DS turn 1, units can run and shoot in any order after DS.

 

From a user on Warseer.

 

If this turns out to be true, I'll cry real tears of joy.

 

V

[IndigoJack]

I don't know if you guys have seen this (so many rumor threads at once!), but here are actual point costs for GKs from the SW list builder mishap.

 

http://astropate.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/nuovi-cavalieri-grigi-lista.html

 

Blegh, lots of price hikes for power armored guys (except interceptors, which curiously remained the same). Now obviously, the sky isn't falling yet as we don't have the whole picture, but unless we get some seriously awesome special rules, I doubt that most of those units are actually going to be worth their price.

 

The terminator changes are interesting, as those are some darn cheap terminators. Even with special weapons their going to be better cheaper than other terminator units. Rumor has it that draigo still makes paladins troops, but they have to be five man strong. His move to the LoW slot is a blow to paladin armies though, as now you have to take an HQ, and draigo to play a battle-forged pally star (barring some kind of special formation).

 

The 2x TLAC dreadnought not lost psybolt ammo, but got much more expensive. In fact, his base cost is more expensive than other dreads. The loss of psybolt ammo is a huge blow as well as it was our best and most efficient way of getting ranged high strength firepower. Without ready access to the same long ranged weapons of the rest of the imperial armies, we're going to have a hard time softening our opponents up before we get close enough to deal real damage. Not that I necessarily want access to those weapons, but it would be nice to have something that fulfills a similar role (much like the psfyleman).

 

What I'm most excited about are the formations. Some sweet formation bonuses can really help make-up the difference in the point cost (turn 1 deep strike? Squeeee, hopefully!) It would also be interesting to see if we get a new FOC and the benefits it may have.

[IndigoJack]

 

http://www.warseer.com/forums/warseer/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Archibald_TK http://www.warseer.com/forums/warseer/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png

Btw was the new GK detachment mentioned? It's 1 HQ and 1 Troop minimum, can add +3 Troops, +4 Elite, +2 FA, +2 HS, the usual warlord reroll, units can DS turn 1, units can run and shoot in any order after DS.

From a user on Warseer.

 

If this turns out to be true, I'll cry real tears of joy.

 

V

 

Combined with the rumor of more accurate teleporting, that could be be utterly amazing. And if everything in the book can DS... yeah, there are going to be a lot of upset people at my gaming club!

[Captain Coolpants]

From BOLS, not long to wait, at all:

 

All Pre-Orders August 16th

Release Date August 23rd

 

Sanctus Reach

Sanctus Reach: Hour of the Wolf $49.50 Hardback

 

Space Wolves

Warriors of the Fang $170 Plastic box

Space Wolves Skyclaws $37 Plastic box

Space Wolves Long Fangs $37 Plastic box

 

Grey Knights

Codex: Grey Knights $49.50 Hardback

Codex: Grey Knights (limited edition) $110 Hardback Book (web only)

Datacards: Grey Knights $8 Cards

Grey Knights Purifier Squad $33 Plastic box

Grey Knights Strike Squad $60 Plastic box

Grey Knights Paladin Squad $50 Plastic box

Grey Knights Nemesis Dreadknight $53.75 Plastic box

Grey Knights Land Raider $74.25 Plastic box

Grey Knights Venerable Dreadnought $46.30 Plastic box

Grey Knights Stormraven Gunship $82.50 Plastic box

 

Black Library

Horus Heresy: Horus Rising $9.99 Novel

Grey Knights Omnibus $17.50 Novel

Sanctus Reach: Blood on the Mountain $24 Novel

Sanctus Reach: Volume 2 $90 other book (web only)

So we're getting separate box sets for purifiers and paladins now?

 

That really annoys me!!!

 

So they are cutting thawn and mordrak because they don't have a dedicated box set/model; but they make a dedicated box set for paladins and purifiers? Eeeeeven though they didn't need one?

 

And what about standard grandmasters (they don't eeeven have a model) , purgation squads? They also do not have a dedicated box set, so by GW logic they must be removed..... But clearly they won't because they don't NEED dedicated models.

Because all grey knights look the same, just with slightly different heraldry which we paint on ourselves!

[Sothalor]

They won't be separate box sets for Paladins and Purifiers, they'll just be sold that way on GW's site. It's the same thing they've been doing with all their kits the past few releases.

[Brovius]

Psybolts were added in the 5th edition codex, so it's not like they've always been around or anything. Worse case we will still be better of than daemonhunter days when our only av was psycannons, land raiders, and las/missile dreads

Uh, no. They existed back in Codex: Daemonhunters. The difference was that they made the weapon AP4 and ignore Invulnerable saves (Psycannons ignored Invulns too at the time).

 

I wouldn't mind us getting a unit with access to an anti-tank 'sniper' rifle (without the Sniper rule, similar to the old Rail Rifles of Pathfinders) appropriately named a Psyrifle or something. It'd be a good nod to the term coined by the playerbase for our beloved Dread configuration. Legit Psycannon options on vehicles don't need to exist as long as we have Psybolt access still (Assault Cannons with Psybolts literally are Psycannons for all intents and purposes on a vehicle) unless we lose Psybolts or the Psycannon changes. 

 

EDIT: as for the releases, the Purifier and GKSS box sets will likely just be a reshuffling of sprues. Thankfully I bought up biiiig when the plastics first came out. I still have at least 2 unopened boxes of GKTs and PAGKs, as well as a pair of NDKs and 3 Rhino/Razorbacks.

[Rurik the blessed]

 

 

http://www.warseer.com/forums/warseer/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Archibald_TK http://www.warseer.com/forums/warseer/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png

Btw was the new GK detachment mentioned? It's 1 HQ and 1 Troop minimum, can add +3 Troops, +4 Elite, +2 FA, +2 HS, the usual warlord reroll, units can DS turn 1, units can run and shoot in any order after DS.

From a user on Warseer.

 

If this turns out to be true, I'll cry real tears of joy.

 

V

 

Combined with the rumor of more accurate teleporting, that could be be utterly amazing. And if everything in the book can DS... yeah, there are going to be a lot of upset people at my gaming club!

 

 

Allied coteaz would be a must then... beware!

[BladeGaurd]

Any clue what is inside the Grey Knight Venerable Dreadnought?

I figure a rifle man build and a close combat build.

[irwit]

Im pretty sure that will be the existing Venerable Dreadnought kit.  GW like to give the same box multiple names now for each possible use it can have.  

[BladeGaurd]

The space wolf venerable dreadnought disagree. It is not out of the realm of possibility that the Grey Knight Venerable Dreadnought is a new box, unlike the Land Raider.

I suspect the paladin and purifier boxes are just renaming and the strike box is a new box, may be just a double pack of the old strike squad but that would fall under needlessly taking up wall space to me. The other vehicles and dreadknight I have not real idea.

OR, and that a big OR

We could be getting as much added or redone as the normal space marines, about 5 boxes all told.

[Exile Noctis]

We'll just have to wait and see.

 

For now, I'm feeling skeptical. The whole deep strike rumour though is something to definitely look forward to if it's true!

[Gentlemanloser]

Hah.  Removal of the 'bloat'.

 

Stripped of everything, bar the bare essentials GW have already made minis for is more like it.

 

No new thought, no new minis, no new units.

 

Back to the days of the Daemonhunter Codex and 1/2 options a slot.

 

If the rumours are correct, Paladin up to 66 points each.  lol.  GKT taken *every single time* over Strikes.  Crowe only usable with a 'formation' of his own.  TGS nerfed down to our own Warlord Trait table.

 

No day one DLC becuase "everything is already in the box".  No, there is just nothing extra made for us that GW can cash in on.

 

No interest in this new Codex, and no one here should be looking forward to it.  We have been stripped to bare bones, and supposed to be happy for it.

 

We get to spam GKT and NDK with PTs.  Because taking anything else is just a downright waste compared to these two options.

[BladeGaurd]

This post states 2 new boxes one of which is a vehicle (possibly a venerable dreadnought):

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/08/grey-knight-codex-information-released.html

 

 

No interest in this new Codex, and no one here should be looking forward to it.  We have been stripped to bare bones, and supposed to be happy for it.

 

Every time a codex gets redone something changes, some rumors are right some are wrong and weather you are looking forward or dreading it is on you. I find it is better to go into these changes looking on the brighter side and not focusing on what was taken away. I find people, including me, bemoan and focus on the loss when we should be looking at what we have and what we can do.  If your not interested then wait till the mix reviews or change your army. EVERYTHING changes so get used to it. I thought the current codex was horrible because to play the way I did I needed coteaz and to re arm my entire collection, turns out I evolved my play a bit without coteaz and still did some re arming and my opinion changed.

I still miss my storm troopers but that was then and this is now, take allies if you want, bemoan if you want, but do not try and convince me that this codex was great or that I should not entertain the next one.

To help you, I will post a review of the codex once I get it and feel free to poke wholes at it.

[Scolas]

I almost wish I lived in a cave for times like these.... After the disappointment of the Ork changes I just dealt with VERY recently, now the army (GKs) I am currently building because I love the models and think they are really neat are getting a quick update that will more than likely strip most of the stuff I just made/ am currently magnetizing, painting, basing, etc lol... I could be wrong in my assumption (we all know how well assumptions go over) but this 50$USD codex with re-boxed(nothing new) models feels like a slap in the face... why do some army releases get grand amazingness and others are left feeling like 3rd class armies not fully worthy of the thought and consideration... If the Inq and Assassins are removed as I'm sure they are per the multitude of rumors going now, I among others will be seriously upset and pissed knowing that there is nothing to take their place.... How does one play a vindicare assassin that was just nicely painted without it available in a current/applicable codex? (if the V.assassin is in the Inq codex and I missed it please let me know so I can feel stupid) I guess I'm just slightly burnt after the Ork dex release and not ready for the feels again so soon lol.

[Deamon Wolf]

can we all agree that ok the Deamon Hunters Dex had its faults but was very fluffy  and that the current dex was op for 5th marginally toned down for 6th got a nice psyker boost for 7th but in general was a nice dex do play with if you wanted to do pure GK Lists

 

Look at Present all we have are the wispered rambelings of mad men and the shamans who listen to Tzinch for information about what will happen in our new dex.

 

Nnow I am a Black Templar and Space Wolf Player but my heart belongs to Titan both the new Black templar dex ( C SM ) and the new wolf dex have tweeked things here and their but overall  I think there has been some positive changes so I think we have what aparently 1 week to wait untill we start hearing from the golden throne what exactly is happening,

 

for all we know this is an uber white herring and Blood Angels will be out next

 

but my main point is Please can we stop going over board on the Moaning because GW wont destroy a dex but they will make us old grizzled vets take a look and then rework of armies this is how they make their money we all know this , now if you dont want to play 7th ed fine stick with yr 3rd ed dex and play 3rd ed at yr club or yr 5th ed dex and play 5th ( like some of the guys at my club )  , but we are now in 7th ed and I for one think that GW  may be loosing their way with the hobby but still produce one of the best table top games out there

 

sorry for an old grizzled vets rant

[Bionicman]

B...but I don't want to be just another SM chapter!