Koriel Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I'm in the midst of writing some fluff for my heresy forces, and I'm looking for some input from those who are more lore knowledgeable then myself. Firstly, for how many years did the great crusade go on? I used to think it was around 200 years, but when i did an online search i got very conflicting answers. Some said 200 and others said as many as 400 years. Has there been any official word from either FW or BL about the matter? And secondly, how many years did Horus serve as the warmaster before the outbreak of the heresy? I get the feeling from all the BL and FW books that the entire timeline has been expanded to accomodate more fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine7312000 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Everything I've seen has the Great Crusade lasting 200 years. As for your second question, I'm not really sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3772239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordo Machinum Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Horus was found early during the Great Crusade. The Battle of Keylek was fought by Horus and the Luna Wolves, approximately 123 years into the Great Crusade. - Horus Rising, Part I Chapter 9 The Ullanor Crusade earned Horus the title of Warmaster at the latter part of the Great Crusade. So, 60-70 years? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3772269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 There is a timeline in Massacre. The Unification Wars started a thousand years before the Great crusade and overlapped a little bit, and the great Crusade lasted 200, ending officially at Isstvan 3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3772291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Boom M30798 The Great Crusade begins~801 Horus is the first primarch to be found963 The razing of Monarchia~981 Alpharius is the last primarch to be foundM31000 Ullanor concludes, and at the Triumph the Emperor names Horus as Warmaster001 Nikaea, and later the compliance of 63-19002 Final compliance of 140-20, then the Blood Angels go to Kayvas003 War with the Interex, and the Luna Wolves become Sons of Horus004 Horus falls on Davin's moon. Late 004 and into 005, Prospero is razed005 Isstvan III begins, and goes on for three months into 006006 Eisenstein reaches Terra, and Isstvan V occurs mid-006007 The battle for Calth, followed by the Underworld War which rages for ten years008 Garro recovers Loken, the only survivor of Isstvan III009 Guilliman names 'Imperium Secundus' in his plans010 - 013 I can't say...014 The Siege of Terra begins. The Heresy ends, and is followed by the Scouring021 The Second FoundingHorus's treachery from being named Warmaster, up to the truth about Isstvan V reaching Terra, is seven years. The Age of Darkness (about which the Imperium knows very little, looking back on historical records) lasts for seven years. The Scouring also lasts for seven years.From the time that Horus was named Warmaster, up to the last of the traitors being driven into the Eye of Terror, is 21 years.The rest of the Heresy and the thousand years after it has already been plotted. Again, I know this because I did it. Courtesy of Laurie Goulding and The First Expedition forum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3772392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koriel Posted August 10, 2014 Author Share Posted August 10, 2014 Thanks for the info, Perrin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3772399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ion Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Four years as warmaster seems a remarkably short time for Horus to fall. I always got the impression it was a bit longer than that, and then the time between that and Isstvan also seems really short when you consider the preparation the Heresy would require. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3773086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 4 years is quite short yeah. But I guess 4 years of doubt about why your father left and the pressure of being in charge might be long enough to take it's toll? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3773087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Do remember though that (unless im mistaken) Imperial Years (those used in 30k/40k) are divided into 1000 equal parts which mean that they last longer or shorter than our 365 day per year system. Theres also the thing about time and space being distorted a bit because of warp travel and the like. So 4 years on the Imperial Calendar couldve been roughly double or triple the amount of time, maybe even more, for Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3773094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Imperial Years last the same amount of time as a standard Terran year, record keeping is done in 1/1000's. IIRC one day is split into 3 Imperial units. Because your just dividing 365 by 1000, not creating a new speed at which the Earth orbits the sun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3773217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I stand Corrected! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3773579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ion Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Are we sure on those numbers? Explicitly stated? I just feel that there was more time overall in this, not by a lot, but like a decade at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 If they've come from Laurie Goulding then it's pretty much set in stone official Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 When you compare Laurie's list with the list in Massacre there is a lengthy amount of time between Ullanor and the Siege. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Laurie's list has it as 14 years. What does the list in Massacre say? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I always thought that the great crusades were too short and wished that with the heresy series they would expand it. 1000 years to conquer a solar system followed by 200 years to conquer most of a galaxy. If the great crusade lasted 500 to 1000 years, with hous I charge for the last 100 years or so it would make the heresy even more tragic, 7 years to undo e work of a millennium. It also gives the primarch's more time to met and get to know each other. The amount they get up to in the background I'm surprised they had time to fight wars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Perrin when I get a moment I'll try to piece together my full timeline from the various sources Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 The actual heresy itself is supposed to be around 7 years long. When I get the chance I'll dig the actual timeline out of Massacre/Extermination I forget which Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 If there is a contradiction I would probably go with the Massacre/Extermination timeline. Pretty sure LG worked closely with the creators of those (Alan Bligh?) and they're more set-in-stone than a forum post from quite a while ago. We've already seen that some things change behind the scenes, like the sizes of the Legions for example, it wouldn't surprise me if the length of the Heresy fluctuates before the end. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Off the top of my head Isstvan III and Dorn returning to Terra in the above timeline have more space between them now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordo Machinum Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Here is the Massacre's Chronicle of the Final Years of the Great Crusade: http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_8832/gallery_8429_8832_40538.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Off the top of my head Isstvan III and Dorn returning to Terra in the above timeline have more space between them now.Dorn's return to Terra is synonymous with the Triumph at Ullanor. Other than that, there is no real problem with the timeline above other than Alpharius being found before 964.M30 and taking command of his Legion at 981.M30. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 The actual heresy itself is supposed to be around 7 years long. When I get the chance I'll dig the actual timeline out of Massacre/Extermination I forget which That is the long-known number, aye, but if the Horus Heresy series (by either BL and/or FW) decides to elongate it via retcon, then I would think that that Laurie Golding list will likely be on the mark. An additional two years, by the look of it, isn't too bad of a retcon, I suppose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Dorn didn't make it home until 005.M31. He stayed aboard the Vengeful Spirit during 63-19 when he speaks to Loken. He was waylaid by Warp Storms after beginning his journey home while the Luna Wolves fought on Murder, against the Interex, and the Auretian Technocracy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Well, I think what we're hitting is "when did the Heresy start?" Officially, it is Istvaan V, not Istvaan III as the beginning of the Heresy is marked by the Imperium, not by us. But many of us put Istvaan III as the start of the Heresy as it is whn Horus fired the first shots of Betrayal. So it isn't truly a retcon so much as us learning how much time there is between the Betrayal and the Massacre and in our, out-universe, relatively-omnipotent viewpoint, we see it as a retcon. Sort of like Calth. We automatically assume that the Word Bearers' objective being to poison the Veridian star is a retcon. But that viewpoint only exists in 30K. In 40K, the Ultramarines will always remember it as a last, spiteful act by the beaten and fleeing Word Bearers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294898-questions-about-the-great-crusade/#findComment-3774643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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