Valor Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 How are you guys going to run your Long Fang Squads now? I'm thinking 6 men with 4 Lascannons for 170 pts. Do you think the extra man is worth 15 points just for an extra wound? Also, with the changes to armor and the increased costs for ML, and LC's the way to go? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
climbingcog Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I too would like to hear others thoughts on this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I'm running my two Long Fangs packs exactly the same as I have been for years. They actually dropped 5 points each with the new codex. Pack 1: Long Fang Ancient, 1 Lascannon, 2 Plasma Cannon, 1 Missile Launcher, 1 Heavy Bolter Pack 2: Long Fang Ancient, 1 Lascannon, 2 Plasma Cannon, 2 Heavy Bolters No sense in changing them now. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valor Posted August 10, 2014 Author Share Posted August 10, 2014 But with split fire being only 1 gun now, shouldn't the squads be more specialized or perhaps only having 1 different weapon from the rest? Ie 4 LC and a ML w/ flak? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Like Val, I will be keeping mine the same. 5 ML and 3 HB and 2 PC's. Just because the points went up does not mean the effectiveness changed. Val's packs are prime for splitting fire having more than one single weapon per pack. For me, I'm just not about to build more LF's!! HAHA End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain fabian Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I'm running my two Long Fangs packs exactly the same as I have been for years. They actually dropped 5 points each with the new codex. Pack 1: Long Fang Ancient, 1 Lascannon, 2 Plasma Cannon, 1 Missile Launcher, 1 Heavy Bolter Pack 2: Long Fang Ancient, 1 Lascannon, 2 Plasma Cannon, 2 Heavy Bolters No sense in changing them now. V May I ask why 1 HB in the first squad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 But with split fire being only 1 gun now, shouldn't the squads be more specialized or perhaps only having 1 different weapon from the rest? Ie 4 LC and a ML w/ flak? I expect that the Lascannon will be the one to Split Fire with, or otherwise the Heavy Bolter. I'm running my two Long Fangs packs exactly the same as I have been for years. They actually dropped 5 points each with the new codex. Pack 1: Long Fang Ancient, 1 Lascannon, 2 Plasma Cannon, 1 Missile Launcher, 1 Heavy Bolter Pack 2: Long Fang Ancient, 1 Lascannon, 2 Plasma Cannon, 2 Heavy Bolters No sense in changing them now. V May I ask why 1 HB in the first squad? The Heavy Bolters used to be cheaper in the last codex, so I included them to shoot at infantry for as long as they could, but otherwise to act as meat shields for the rest of the Long Fang pack with more important/more expensive weapons. They'll continue to act in this way in the new edition, even if they aren't quite as cheap as before. However, I could definitely see leaving another Long Fang un-upgraded, and using both him and the Ancient as meat-shields for the rest of the unit. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Keep in mind that plasma cannons and lascannons actually got cheaper, so a pack with 2 of them and 3 missile launchers didn't change much in price. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 The Long Fangs packs I have had the most success with have been :Pack 1: Ancient. x3 Lascannon, x2 Missile LauncherPack 2: Ancient. x3 Heavy Bolter, x2 Plasma Cannon. I like the second pack the most, although in my first 7th edition game yesterday the first pack put in some work against the Necrons. Anyone who tries to deep strike in and take out your Long Fangs who are chilling in the back are met with a world of hurt from the 9 HB shots and the 2 PC, even when charged I can get quite a few wounds in from the HBs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Question - you mention 15pts for an extra wound. Is it no longer the case that every Long Fang MUST take a heavy weapon? Can you now have a couple of meat shields in the pack? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Question - you mention 15pts for an extra wound. Is it no longer the case that every Long Fang MUST take a heavy weapon? Can you now have a couple of meat shields in the pack? That's right - you don't have to upgrade all of the Long Fangs anymore. Back in the last codex I would usually take a 'slick' Wolf Guard for an 18 point meat shield in order to preserve the Ancient and therefore preserve Fire Control. However, now you can just keep a 'slick' Lone Fang for an even cheaper meat shield, and then sacrifice your Ancient for another wound, since you don't need him for Split Fire. V Keep in mind that plasma cannons and lascannons actually got cheaper, so a pack with 2 of them and 3 missile launchers didn't change much in price. That's exactly right. Like I mentioned above, both of my packs actually got 5 points cheaper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 That is a piece of silver lining in what has generally been a dark cloud. I favoured the same set up of Wolf Guard as a meat shield so the same model just needs a different pad colouring. Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I will say that I will miss sticking a tda CML guy with my long fang 7 missiles were fun as was a 4 missile 3 lascannon pack Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Could you take a wolf guard with plasma cannon and look out sir. Get hot results onto the ancient? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Could you take a wolf guard with plasma cannon and look out sir. Get hot results onto the ancient? Wolf Guard can't take Heavy Weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedorarogue Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Could you take a wolf guard with plasma cannon and look out sir. Get hot results onto the ancient? Wolf Guard can't take Heavy Weapons. This is the one thing that put a damper on the way I ran things. I currently and still will be running two packs 1.) 4 ML, 1 LC 2.) 4 HB, 1 PC. No real reason to change it around now. It is tougher to pop vehicles now and I have debated a full LC pack since 7th dropped though never been a huge priority when all my greyhunters are mobbing up midfield. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294908-long-fang-squad/#findComment-3772868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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