Canaris Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I've been very slowly building up two Heresy forces, an Iron Hands army and a small Night Lords group. I've been quite careful about using the correct armour marks and weapons, thought the Night Lords have more Mk VI armour than I'd like though I think that is reasonable. However I've decided that I'm unlikely to play 40k with my relatively large and not-actually-very-well-painted space marine army and that it would be fun to convert these to Emperor's Children and World Eaters and run the Istvan III campaign at my club. My question to you, my august brethren, is 40k stuff is permissible in 30k armies? For instance, looking at the Space Marine range produced by GW, I assume the following: Completely Okay: - Ordinary Dreadnoughts - Space marine scouts - for recce armour - Drop Pods - Mk VI armour, depending on the Legion Okay in Limited Numbers: - Current (Mk4?) Land Raiders - Current rhinos - Mk VII helmets (severus pattern) - The odd 40k boltgun - 40k flamers, melta and plasma guns. Not Good: Modern Terminators I'm ignoring things that don't appear in the legion army lists like razorbacks. So my questions are how much Mk VII armour do you tolerate? (I know there's good instructions on this site for how to convert it but that's beyond the amount of effort I want to take with this) What about bolters and backpacks? I'd like advice on what to avoid and any short cuts I can get away with taking. Canaris Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Mark 7 Armor and Godwin bolters is the clincher. Even Indomnitus terminator armor was in ise by the loyalist legons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand_master85 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Aye. The Iron Hands used a variant of Indomitus armour for the Gorgons. If you go there, make sure not to use the Crux Terminatus on the left shoulder pad at least. Really, mk VII armour and the Godwyn bolters, as Marshal says, are the only real no-gos. And obviously mk VIII Errant armour Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Raven Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 The current rhinos chassis are okay in unlimited numbers; they're Mars-pattern. It just so happens that Deimos was more popular/produced in higher numbers in spite of the Mars pattern being easier to maintain. Anyone using only them would probably be called a hipster by the Deimos-favoring commanders, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'm only going to use FW stuff for mine, which means it will take absolutely ages to build my army. So I could understand people wanting to use normal 40k stuff, especially if they already own it, because I'm not sure how much cheaper it would actually work out as these days... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 But MK IV Sarum rebreathers were in use and look like MK VII helmets. Edit - I think its mainly the MK VII chest Aquilla that is the problem (unless EC). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piano_Sam Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 The current rhinos chassis are okay in unlimited numbers; they're Mars-pattern. It just so happens that Deimos was more popular/produced in higher numbers in spite of the Mars pattern being easier to maintain. Anyone using only them would probably be called a hipster by the Deimos-favoring commanders, though. 40k Chapter Master - 'Pffftt. Mars Pattern are SO 10,000 years ago.' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Rhino, Predator, and Land Raiders are all acceptable. In 30k, they were called Mars-Pattern. They were considered bulk made (much like the Thunderhawk), and not nearly as well built, but useful and easier to repair and replace. The Iron Warriors used the Mars-Pattern Preds and Rhinos as disposable vehicles. http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140413072555/warhammer40k/images/3/38/IW_Mars_Pattern_Rhino.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Would they have used them like the rhino wall fortifications I remember them setting up at the end of Angel Exterminatus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Mmmmmmmaybe? I guess it'd make sense, considering those "walls" could be breached swiftly, and replaced just as fast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I think that's what they did. They put them up as temporary ones while they built proper walls, iirc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordo Machinum Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Ah, but howabout assault jump packs? Maybe with some suitable steampunkiness heresy-esque modifications? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'm kidnapping the CSM Raptor jump packs myself. Nice Heresy-era vibe, as long as you shave the teeth off. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrk Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Mk VII would be acceptable in an Imperial Fist Siege of Terra force but that's about it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine7312000 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'm kidnapping the CSM Raptor jump packs myself. Nice Heresy-era vibe, as long as you shave the teeth off. Having come up with this idea myself, be ready to spend quite a bit of time trimming off the extra stuff. Also, you should be made aware that they do not have a weird mounting point on them. I'll try to find mine and take a picture so you can see for yourself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Already working with it, man. It's not as bad as the old pewter CSM dread I'm working on right now, so I'll count that as a win. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'm kidnapping the CSM Raptor jump packs myself. Nice Heresy-era vibe, as long as you shave the teeth off. Oh how the Brethren wailed when I converted my Templars to have Raptor Jump Packs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Let them weep. Old-Skool Jump Packs are the bestest. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3773954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlzee Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 You could use the Jump packs from the Sanguinary guard. They were in use back in 30K. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3774011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Yep, good point, sir. Also, keep in mind that Heresy Era plate, aka Mk V, wasn't just the snarling grille and studded brow we all know and love. The designation was a loose term that covered hundreds of local made designs that were non-standard and locally produced, each unique to their various Legions to fulfill what they needed during these dark times. A little greenstuff here and there, a little creativeness, and you could alter quite a few of the GW heads and torsos to fit in the Heresy as MK V prototypes. Heck, a few of them could work with little to no alteration as is: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3774023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I do enjoy the mix and match that is MKV concept. I know that in my Great Scouring Era Ultramarines/Black Consuls, I chose to go with anything up to MK VII. Why because from what I understand MK VII was available after the Horus Heresy. But I am abstaining from using any MK VIII stuff, minus using it on maybe someone special to make it seem like something new/artificer armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3774061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 That top middle one looks like an evolution of Mk III, where is that one from Heathens? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3774135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Iron Warriors upgrade pack, with the horns shaved off and the collar piece around the back of the head smoothed out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3774139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 nice work. Might have to see if I can get hold of some and use on my Veterans I still need to make. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3774141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 per definition, anything CSM has to be appropriate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294973-using-40k-components-in-heresey-forces/#findComment-3774574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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