BloodTzar Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 I have just read the rules in IA:2E2 it is quite confusing to me; assuming I will have Raptor and Sicaran in main (while having Rec), and I want to take another Sicaran to my detachment do I need to take another "keeper of the relic" for the detachment or the Rec is fine? On the other hand, my main problem with Rec is that the DC becomes super killy, and gets out of the combat much faster, sometimes in 1 turn :/ One major issue with Loth-Meph list is that you need to get Mephy transport as the wings are gone (not sure if he can hop in someones DP, seen few bat-reps done that way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 BT- that second bullet point (poorly written as it is) is assuming the secondary detachment takes more than one. (Indicated by the "relics"- plural - in the first sentence of the second bullet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 I have understood it that I need to take MotF just because of the Sicaran for the Red Scorps On the other hand I have came up with update: HQ Rec (fist) ELITES Priest TROOPS 2x5 ASM (melta) ~Las/Plas RzB 7 DC (Axe, rest bolters) ~ DP 5 ASM (melta) ~DP FAST 3x AB (3 MM) - not sure about these perhaps use these points on something else HEAVY 2x Sicaran (nothing, perhaps the legacy (Schism of Mars) for one and PW for pries, while cutting one AB) - will take a while as I have to buy one 1x Fire Raptor (AC's) Allies: HQ Loth (Bio/Teleph) TROOPS 10 Tacs (flamer, Las can, sarge turned into SP) ~ DP Poor Baal's didnt keep up with the new point decreese, as Sicarans are just much better at some point, moreover AB's are there for nasty stuff like LR's of any kind. Morever I am still thinking of cutting them and getting one SR for the scorps PS. I think I have been cheating in my games as I have realized now SM DP is not for 12 marines anymore well I will re-work that guess no flamer and 9 man strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Keep the attack bikes- they're golden. Not sure about that priest though. Dont really think hes adding much ? :/ Get Schism of Mars on the Raptor - turns those S8 missiles into something fierce. Also, makes even the HB and the S6 cannon fearsome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 Well I tought bikes may stay in range in the Razor with Priest to get a FnP with Jink. Hmm that is very nice idea to have, perhaps it might even be better on SR as that AC; might have a chance to rend unlike the Auto Can on Raptor :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Well I tought bikes may stay in range in the Razor with Priest to get a FnP with Jink. Hmm that is very nice idea to have, perhaps it might even be better on SR as that AC; might have a chance to rend unlike the Auto Can on Raptor My thinking is, it changes the Raptor from poor/average to Good/reliable in tank hunting, but changes the Raven from Good to incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Get Schism of Mars on the Raptor - turns those S8 missiles into something fierce. Also, makes even the HB and the S6 cannon fearsome What does it do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 With some fancy crap staff against demons, that you might not use, it gives you tank-hunter against everyone for less than power fist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Well that's a nobrainer on the raven.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted August 17, 2014 Author Share Posted August 17, 2014 If I put raven into my list, I will need to kick bikes and priest, after that I might have nice T2 supprise on table...I never had bikes on table that much, however in games I have used them my opponents focused them as much as they could... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Mnnnnn, rather not. The more you take off Turn1 Table, more you allow enemy to focus on whats left :/ Start getting yourself into difficulties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Regarding Schism of Mars, the wording says it can go on any BA Tank. Therefore, I don't think it can be taken on a Stormraven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Regarding Schism of Mars, the wording says it can go on any BA Tank. Therefore, I don't think it can be taken on a Stormraven So what you're saying is that RAW we can take it on a caestus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 In the latest book it is Tank*, where * = Despite being a flyer, a Caestus Assault Ram may make Ram attacks in the same way as a Tank when Zooming. My opinion is that it would be a stretch to class the CAR as a Tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Hmm. Having said that, would it benefit from the +1 to Ram strength or not? If I go by my reasoning above, I'd have to say no which seems daft. Why have the rule at all if it were not a "flying tank"? *Scratches beard*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted August 18, 2014 Author Share Posted August 18, 2014 Regarding Schism of Mars, the wording says it can go on any BA Tank. Therefore, I don't think it can be taken on a Stormraven Oh yeah you are right I have missed that, well than it might be one happy sicaran tank S7 rends might be even more killy :) However that might be over kill, as S7 rending is nice as it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Hmm. Having said that, would it benefit from the +1 to Ram strength or not? If I go by my reasoning above, I'd have to say no which seems daft. Why have the rule at all if it were not a "flying tank"? *Scratches beard*. The 'tank' USR is obviously there to give it a bonus for ramming, I don't see why it wouldn't apply. It's been like that since it was introduced. As for giving it that upgrade that's probably stretching it, I was mostly suggesting it as a joke. It could certainly need it though considering the nerf it took in 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Bugger :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Hmm. Having said that, would it benefit from the +1 to Ram strength or not? If I go by my reasoning above, I'd have to say no which seems daft. Why have the rule at all if it were not a "flying tank"? *Scratches beard*. Yes it does benefit from the +1 ram bonus for being a 'tank', with another +1 from the caestus' own bonus. If only they hadn't scrapped the bonus from distance moved! Nowww then...how stretching would it be to have a zooming caestus perform tank shock? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 Hello guys, sorry for asking this once again, however I might seem to struggle with this topic; what is your understanding of Relic of Armory rule in following case; you have Main Detch. (BA) and than Allies (RS) ,both are taking relic stuff, even multiple relics (4= 3 BA, 1 RS), under the rule mentioned above do you: A ) both sides need to have "keeper of the relic" ? B ) Just the main detch? C ) Doesnt matter until there is on no matter who takes it? Thank you in advance, ~BT PS. MIght have re-vamped bit FW heavy list ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 The main detachment has pay a relic tax if it takes two or more units with that rule. The allied detachment has to pay a relic tax if it takes one or more units with that rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 First of all, thank you for help! Second, just to clarify in scenario mentioned above (3:1 split ) i only need to take pay the "relic" tax for the 3 relics? ~BT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Both. Your primary detachment has to pay it to field three relics and you secondary detachment has to also pay it to field their relic. I.e. The BAs need a Reclusiarch and the RS need a MotF in the 3:1 listed above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 Oh that is quite a show stopper for my list I was under impression you pay only for the detachment where the 1 limit has been exceeded .... PS. Thank you for help ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Gonna add a little different interpretation here. 1: If you include 2+ Relics in the primary you need a Reclusiarch. 2: If you include 1 Relic in the secondary, you do not need a Reclusiarch. 2b: If you include 2 Relics in the secondary, your compulsory HQ must be a Reccy. My reasoning for this is that the wording explicitly uses plural of "relic". This follows on from the first bullet point. So, nothing has changed from one to two, except that if you have more than 1 relic, the compulsory HQ must be a Reclusiarch (or other). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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