Uprising Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I am wondering just how long did it take for the World Eaters to fall to khorne? When did they start turning blood red and wear bunny ears? I am up to fulgrim in the HH, so my knowledge is lacking beyond. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Bunny ears have been there for a while since they were a mark of Veterancy(?) in the Legion. See the Forgeworld page for the Helm upgrade set. As for the Fall, I'd say right around istvaan III when they purged their Loyalist elements. Though I'd say they really when K to the horn to the a - t - e when Lorgar turned Angron into a Daemon Prince. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3775428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The beginning of the fall would be whenever the Word Bearers managed to convince them of doing certain Khornate rituals as victory rites. For example, on Istvaan V, the XII Legion was building towers of skulls that served as altars to Khorne(Extermination). However, the World Eaters did not become conscious of Khorne until Angron's ascension. So the end of their Fall would be between that event and the Siege of Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3775446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Does any of the literature make mention of the WE having warrior lodges at any point during the late Crusade/early Heresy era? Anyway, at this point in the BL series (with the new "rogue gallery" style cover art featuring Khârn), the WE are still in white and blue. I'd like to think that the red and brass scheme came about after they fled into the Eye and fully embraced Khornate worship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3775466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 IIRC, Betrayer makes mention that the warrior lodges didn't take hold due to their gladiatorial traditions and such. That said, Extermination explicitly mentions that Corax destroyed several of their victory monuments precisely because they were drawing in warp energy. So either the World Eaters are just the unluckiest Legion ever, Angron's homeworld traditions are Khornate in nature, or the Word Bearers did manage to pass of some rituals in the form of "victory rites". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3775507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Or that Corax, as a Primarch with psychic abilities of his own could sense something about them that most of the World Eaters could not possibly? I guess it would intend how it was phrased, generally I would agree with Kol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3775661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If I remember right, it was put something like, the Raven Guard were observing the World Eaters while they built the towers. Corax noticed a drawing in of dark warp energy and looked a the towers and recognize them as shrines. Then he ordered their destruction at all costs. There is a lot of room for coincidence on why the World Eaters were building shrines. My personal theory(or at least the one that makes the most sense to me) is that while the Word Bearers failed to create lodges in XII, they did manage to give away some trojan horses. "Hey, you like collecting skulls right? Well if you stack them in this arrangement, they're stylish and they save space! Not to mention they just bring out the feng shui of your ship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3775680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Wasn't there some suggestion that the Nails were chaotic in origin? Not sure if that was made up or had some source somewhere. But perhaps there were Khornite aspects to the traditions there. But I think it's more likely the Word Bearers gave suggestions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3775711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 There is a fan theory about it because there was a bit in Butcher's Nails were the dark eldar archon mentions how the Nails were pushing Angron onto the Eightfold Path. But in reality that could be a hundred different ways saying the Nails are Chaotic to the violent urges the Nails force on the victim just makes them more malleable to Khorne's specific needs to who knows what. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3775715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 IIRC, Betrayer makes mention that the warrior lodges didn't take hold due to their gladiatorial traditions and such. That said, Extermination explicitly mentions that Corax destroyed several of their victory monuments precisely because they were drawing in warp energy. So either the World Eaters are just the unluckiest Legion ever, Angron's homeworld traditions are Khornate in nature, or the Word Bearers did manage to pass of some rituals in the form of "victory rites". i haven't read alot of extermination yet where is the WE stuff? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3776015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Its all in the Istvaan V part of the book where it recounts how the Raven Guard fled the battle and survived up until their rescue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3776067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Sword Of Truth mentions Warrior Lodges in the World Eaters and given the size of a legion I think it would be fair to say that they weren't completely unknown, they just didn't gain traction they way they did in some other legions.As has been noted, in Butcher's Nails the Eldar notes that the "pain engine" will bend Angron, "the one who is to become the Blood God's son", to the "eightfold path" In Betrayer they are degenerating into madness but still have contempt for the religious ravings of the Word Bearers. Then Angron gets turned into a Daemon Prince. In the short story The Eightfold Path we see that the chained Angron in the depths of the Conqueror can unleash a roar that drives even Khârn into a blood frenzy and Khârn notes that they are now set on a path from which there is no turning back. Khârn is troubled by the notion that he may descend into animalistic madness from which he cannot recover. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3776204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Yep. So there is definitely some fingers pointing in that direction, but it could just be coincidence or it could be the World Eaters were just screwed from the moment Angron landed on Nurceria. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3776222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 That blurb about the skull cairns in Extermination is brilliant. Think about it: the World Eaters always had a tradition of skull taking. While they shunned overtly religious displays that the Word Bearers favored, who is to say that the latter did not pass on some Khornate rituals in the guise of bloody battlefield celebrations? Khorne is, after all, the easiest Chaos god to worship. He does not ask you to build cathedrals dedicated to him, or put on silly outfits and chant nonsensical words. He only asks that you spill the blood of the worthy foe on the battlefield. And what would the World Eaters know about their seemingly (and relatively speaking) innocent victory rites attracting negative Warp energies? Their Librarius was almost all gone and forgotten. Any additional bloodlust the cairns caused would probably be attributed to the Nails already buzzing in their skulls. Well played, Alan, well played. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295081-corruption-rate-of-the-we/#findComment-3776608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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