Triple_double_U Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Hope this is the right power armoured chapter's page to post this in... or is it...? So I'm using Imperial Guard in an upcoming campaign, the basic plan for them is to be sent to the region on a mission, without realising they are being manipulated by Cypher into achieving something for him.But I'm getting a little stuck on what Cypher would want... Would he be flitting round the galaxy collecting a certain item or piece of information? What sort of contact would the imperial commander have with cypher/hooded figure? If an Astarte told a commander to go to that system and do this would they? or are there certain channels it has to go through? Just looking for a bit of a brainstorm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 That is all plausible. Cypher is a master of guile and manipulation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3775473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Back in the Eye of Terror Codex, Cypher could lead IG in battle as well as Chaos Space Marines. In the grand scale of 40k fluff, few people would have seen a space marine let alone know more than a few chapters. Cypher could easily take command of a garrison or regiment as a Dark Angel and lead them to battle and even to victory. The guard would think they are following a Son of the Emperor and would only question him in the most obvious of circumstances. The only fluff I have read where a human has command over an Astartes is Malcador and then to a lesser degree the Lords of Terra. In all other cases, a Space Marine Captain or higher will take over command of any battlefield. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3775524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJD Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 As we don't really know what cyphers aims and objectives are or even what side he is truly on then it's pretty much a blank canvass. Fallen Angels have been found running whole systems so I cant imagine cypher would struggle to dupe a few guardsmen into helping him complete his objective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3775581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenONE Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 TELL US WHERE YOU BELIEVE CYPHER MAY BE LOCATED. ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS AND NO HARM MAY COME OF IT. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3775697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aura_enchanted Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 TELL US WHERE YOU BELIEVE CYPHER MAY BE LOCATED. ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS AND NO HARM MAY COME OF IT. and by no harm we mean we won't have you disappear into a black hole never to be seen or heard of again.... We will just shoot you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3775745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aura_enchanted Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Hope this is the right power armoured chapter's page to post this in... or is it...? So I'm using Imperial Guard in an upcoming campaign, the basic plan for them is to be sent to the region on a mission, without realising they are being manipulated by Cypher into achieving something for him. But I'm getting a little stuck on what Cypher would want... Would he be flitting round the galaxy collecting a certain item or piece of information? What sort of contact would the imperial commander have with cypher/hooded figure? If an Astarte told a commander to go to that system and do this would they? or are there certain channels it has to go through? Just looking for a bit of a brainstorm. one way would be to have him encounter them on route to another battlefield and inform them they are being redirected elsewheres. Or he could spark an imperial guard army to go rogue so cipher may work unhindered. Gathering some font of ancient knowledge, or a powerful New tool. Its reapply unclear what cipher is after. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3775754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenONE Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Don't forget for all intents and purposes Cypher should appear to a human as a standard Astartes, granted he is alone and probably looks a bit different than what they see normally, but who are they to judge the Angels of Death. After all, Angels of Darkness features Astelan basically controlling an Imperial Government by extension of the Governor. So as Luci said, his guile should be enough to convince an Imperial Officer of whatever he needs them to do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3775811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The latest information on Cypher (his dataslate and, to a much lesser extent, the novel Master of Sanctity) suggests that his goal is to set up encounters between the Unforgiven chapters and their Fallen cousins. With that in mind here are a few questions to help the brainstorming. Are there any Dark Angel or Chaos space marine forces in the campaign? Is Cypher just part of the narrative for your army or will you include him in your force on the tabletop? Do you have to use the same army list in each game? Here's what I would try to do in your position. Take as much or as little from this as you want. Cypher gathers some Fallen Angels, telling them he has a cunning plan to strike a blow against the Imperium. This plan is a lie. Cypher and his new friends then present themselves to an Imperial Guard general as loyalist space marines saying they need his assistance on a mission of great importance. This mission is also a lie. The Dark Angels can be relied on to take the bait and show up to capture the Fallen, giving a narrative hook for another player (or players) in the campaign. When you face them on the battlefield there's an opportunity to use the Altar of War scenarios from Cypher's dataslate, and you get to field Cypher and his attendant chosen Chaos space marines. In other games you're working towards whatever the central campaign goal is and could bring Cypher and the Fallen along for the battle if you wish. The key element is that nobody knows what Cypher's real agenda is so you don't need to be specific about why he's manipulating your commander. His mere presence is certain to stir up trouble. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3776151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aura_enchanted Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 The latest information on Cypher (his dataslate and, to a much lesser extent, the novel Master of Sanctity) suggests that his goal is to set up encounters between the Unforgiven chapters and their Fallen cousins. With that in mind here are a few questions to help the brainstorming. Are there any Dark Angel or Chaos space marine forces in the campaign? Is Cypher just part of the narrative for your army or will you include him in your force on the tabletop? Do you have to use the same army list in each game? Here's what I would try to do in your position. Take as much or as little from this as you want. Cypher gathers some Fallen Angels, telling them he has a cunning plan to strike a blow against the Imperium. This plan is a lie. Cypher and his new friends then present themselves to an Imperial Guard general as loyalist space marines saying they need his assistance on a mission of great importance. This mission is also a lie. The Dark Angels can be relied on to take the bait and show up to capture the Fallen, giving a narrative hook for another player (or players) in the campaign. When you face them on the battlefield there's an opportunity to use the Altar of War scenarios from Cypher's dataslate, and you get to field Cypher and his attendant chosen Chaos space marines. In other games you're working towards whatever the central campaign goal is and could bring Cypher and the Fallen along for the battle if you wish. The key element is that nobody knows what Cypher's real agenda is so you don't need to be specific about why he's manipulating your commander. His mere presence is certain to stir up trouble. could it be that cipher is actually loyal and wants to see his brother's brought to justice? Using the lions sword as bait to lure his loyal brothers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3776715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epimetheus13 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 There's a couple quotes in Cypher's dataslate that implies he wants to see the Fallen and the Unforgiven both brought to "justice", but Cypher is unlikely to see either the Dark Angels or the Imperium as 'good guys' to administer that justice: Quote 1: "You do not know me Master Beligor, but I'm afraid I know you only too well. You are lucky we are so different - for I do not equate justice with torture. I assure you, my judgement will be swift." - Cypher's last words before executing the then Master Interrogator-Chaplain Beligor "Flame, hammer and blood - so is meteoric iron worked, so were the Heavenfall Blades tempered. So too shall I test the Unforgiven." - Cypher Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3776733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmattlythgoe Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 He could be bringing his fallen brothers to justice while also testing his loyal brothers by pushing them to see how far they will go. Maybe he feels that there is still a possibility of another fall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3777264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMek83 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Cypher did rally IG remnants in battle against Chaos in Cypher's data slate... So its more than plausible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3778654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmattlythgoe Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Cypher did rally IG remnants in battle against Chaos in Cypher's data slate... So its more than plausible. Right. He has on several occasions shown up and assisted the IG, so it is definitely a possibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295082-cypher/#findComment-3778671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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