Adeptus Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 We are NOT getting our own psychic powers. The 'Data cards' that you can buy are stated to include '7 large format psychic powers from the Daemonology (sanctic) discipline and 36 tactical objective cards... including 6 specific to the Grey Knights' Assassins are a dataslate, only covers the four major assassin temples. Interestingly, the Nemesis Strikeforce detachment allows ANY unit that arrives from Deepstrike Reserve on any turn to run AND shoot in any order on the turn they arrive. Not just the first turn. Also, no new models. But who cares? I, for one, am GLAD we didn't get lumbered with a Centurion-esque abomination in our army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 No new discipline for psychic-centric army that GK's are ... that is bummer. Even stupid snowflake puppies have their own discipline while fighting for spare bones, while noble GK's fighting demons are ok with BrB ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 No new discipline for psychic-centric army that GK's are ... that is bummer. Even stupid snowflake puppies have their own discipline while fighting for spare bones, while noble GK's fighting demons are ok with BrB ... Get over yourself! You already basically have your own powers as you're the only ones who can use them without killing themselves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 On a related note, none of the units in the battle report featured the psybolts upgrade, and that included two psyflemen. Or just riflemen dreads, I guess now. The report never actually mentioned the strength of any units shooting, so it's possible that psybolts is an automatic piece of wargear for some units, or it's possible that the GK player just chose not to take psybolts, but I think signs are pointing to their removal from the codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 The leaked/bugged images show that psybolts has been removed, Mordrak has been removed, Thawn has been removed and Draigo is a LoW, while Crowe and Stern have been given a price increase. It's like they dont give a damn anymore. I'll stick with my 5th ed codex thnx. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 That kinda sucks as other than the mighty Storm Raven, what AA have we got? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeGaurd Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 We are NOT getting our own psychic powers. The 'Data cards' that you can buy are stated to include '7 large format psychic powers from the Daemonology (sanctic) discipline and 36 tactical objective cards... including 6 specific to the Grey Knights' Assassins are a dataslate, only covers the four major assassin temples. Interestingly, the Nemesis Strikeforce detachment allows ANY unit that arrives from Deepstrike Reserve on any turn to run AND shoot in any order on the turn they arrive. Not just the first turn. Also, no new models. But who cares? I, for one, am GLAD we didn't get lumbered with a Centurion-esque abomination in our army. I needed another set of sanctic cards. I bet the 6 specific to Grey Knights are probably slay a demon. As for new models, though there are none this week I will believe that there are no new models in the codex till I get it in hands and read it. GW might have switched what how they are releasing, going codex first this time. Never got why they did models first with orcs or space wolves, I would think that new model sales do not really increase the sales of a new codex but the other way may be true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 On a related note, none of the units in the battle report featured the psybolts upgrade, and that included two psyflemen. Or just riflemen dreads, I guess now. The report never actually mentioned the strength of any units shooting, so it's possible that psybolts is an automatic piece of wargear for some units, or it's possible that the GK player just chose not to take psybolts, but I think signs are pointing to their removal from the codex Space Wolves lost access to Wolf Tooth Necklaces, Wolf Tail Talismans, Mark of the Wulfen upgrades, and spammed Wolf Standards, but that new codex is still great. I think it is premature to fret too much about the loss of Psybolts. I'm confident that our Grey Knights will be just fine without them, and without any other similar things that might also disappear, such as Servo Skulls and specialty Grenades (Rad, Psychotrope, etc.). That kinda sucks as other than the mighty Storm Raven, what AA have we got? Well, we won't know until the codex is released, or we get more detailed leaks on weapons, wargear, and special abilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 We are NOT getting our own psychic powers. The 'Data cards' that you can buy are stated to include '7 large format psychic powers from the Daemonology (sanctic) discipline and 36 tactical objective cards... including 6 specific to the Grey Knights' Haha. Why would I pay for the same psychic cards again, and for pathetic 'roll for more rolls to maybe roll an extra VP!' cards (Maelstrom is terrible). Called it though, I knew they'd just let us take Sanctic. Assassins are a dataslate, only covers the four major assassin temples. Again, completely expected. Lame they didn't add Venenum or Vanus. Interestingly, the Nemesis Strikeforce detachment allows ANY unit that arrives from Deepstrike Reserve on any turn to run AND shoot in any order on the turn they arrive. Not just the first turn. Nice. Any word on what units can be included? Also, no new models. But who cares? I, for one, am GLAD we didn't get lumbered with a Centurion-esque abomination in our army. Agreed, although I like Centurions. It is a good thing they don't have to force new kit sales, means our existing roster won't suffer (in theory). On a related note, none of the units in the battle report featured the psybolts upgrade, and that included two psyflemen. Or just riflemen dreads, I guess now. The report never actually mentioned the strength of any units shooting, so it's possible that psybolts is an automatic piece of wargear for some units, or it's possible that the GK player just chose not to take psybolts, but I think signs are pointing to their removal from the codex Lame. I'd say that's the final nail in the coffin for PsyDreads. First HP, now back to S7 only...and DK's got a price reduction. Le sigh. The leaked/bugged images show that psybolts has been removed, Mordrak has been removed, Thawn has been removed and Draigo is a LoW, while Crowe and Stern have been given a price increase. It's like they dont give a damn anymore. I'll stick with my 5th ed codex thnx. Maybe a 'heroes' dataslate? One can hope. Really annoyed Mordrak and Thawn are gone, but Crowe and Stern remain :( we got to keep the lamest and most useless characters, while the two borderline useful ones get canned. Especially after all the effort they went to flesh out both Thawn (who is an Eternal for Throne's sake) and Mordrak (mortal enemy of the Red Corsairs). I needed another set of sanctic cards. I bet the 6 specific to Grey Knights are probably slay a demon. No no. Not extra psychic powers man. He means 6 tactical objective cards specific to us, for use in Maelstrom missions. Ie useless pap. All of our current powers are in Sanctic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeGaurd Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Nemesis Strikeforce detachment is probably that force org that can have 2 hq, 4 elietes, 4 troops, 2 fast attack, 2 heavy support, 1 Lord of WAR!!! (Draigo), 1 fortification AND no Allies . I like it but I also like objective secured, and it is one or the other. Reclusiarch Darius sorry for the confusion, my post was meant to be read as: I needed another set of sanctic cards. As in I need another set of the discipline card for my army (I love sanctic and have been resisting buying a 2nd power set because of the waist it is with most of the others not being used). I bet the 6 (objectives) specific to Grey Knights are probably slay a demon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionicman Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Why no Allies Nemesis Strikeforce detachment is probably that force org that can have 2 hq, 4 elietes, 4 troops, 2 fast attack, 2 heavy support, 1 Lord of WAR!!! (Draigo), 1 fortification AND no Allies . I like it but I also like objective secured, and it is one or the other. Reclusiarch Darius sorry for the confusion, my post was meant to be read as: I needed another set of sanctic cards. As in I need another set of the discipline card for my army (I love sanctic and have been resisting buying a 2nd power set because of the waist it is with most of the others not being used). I bet the 6 (objectives) specific to Grey Knights are probably slay a demon. Why no allies is it formation specific? I'm sorry, first time I bother with this formation thingy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thraxdown Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 How does it work in the space wolf book with the six maelstrom mission cards, do you have to use those or is it your choice? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 the Space wolf cards replace the first 6 tacticle objectevs in the BRB Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 But it's still your choice, if you don't feel like using the Space Wolf Tactical Objectives, or the Ork specific ones, if you're an Ork player, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeGaurd Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Bionicman it is not a formation but a force organization method or rather a detachment like on page 118 of the main rule book. I was also wrong with the allies issue, it is a battle forge entry just not a Combined Arms Detachment so the models in the Nemesis Strike Force are not Objective Secured. As the Allied Detachment can be taken by any battle forged and they gain Objective Secured on there troops, those models would be Objective Secured, see page 122. For formations see page 121. I have no clue why people keep calling it a formation when it is a detachment. thraxdown, for now it is just choose a deck you have for objectives in maelstrom of war and go with it though GW has hinted at a way to combined the decks latter. Each deck is 36 cards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecoyOps Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Hey peeps, more information on Golden-Throne.com http://www.golden-throne.com/?p=1566 http://www.golden-throne.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/tWmFGiI.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Rites of Teleportation doesnt sound as bad as I previously thought. I was under the impression that the whole army either TP turn 1 or fails, resulting in an insta-lose. It's more like an early reserves. Its still :cuss though, to ensure the unit you want enters play turn 1 you would need to spam that unit. I'd prefer the DA method which is guaranteed and they can have our risky rule which also requires a formation to use :\ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldogging Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Hrm, that rites of teleportation is cool. Losing Objective secured isn't, but still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3777981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thraxdown Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'll probably pass on the data cards. I have two decks of the regular and one set of psychic cards. Not worth it for six mission cards. One of the rumors mentioned a more reliable deep strikes, is the turn one chance if coming in what that was referring to? I thought it would mean something to help with bad scatter so we mishap less often. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3778053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'll probably pass on the data cards. I have two decks of the regular and one set of psychic cards. Not worth it for six mission cards. One of the rumors mentioned a more reliable deep strikes, is the turn one chance if coming in what that was referring to? I thought it would mean something to help with bad scatter so we mishap less often. That was an early rumor, but we haven't had any more leaks about it lately. We'll know soon enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3778071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 But it's still your choice, if you don't feel like using the Space Wolf Tactical Objectives, or the Ork specific ones, if you're an Ork player, etc. Val, theres actually no choice. If you're playing Tactical Objectives, they must replace. There is no "may" in the verbiage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3778120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Hrm, that rites of teleportation is cool. Losing Objective secured isn't, but still. Yeah, that's really the killer. I was hoping it would be a CAF detachment but with extra bonuses. Lame. Probably designed (as formations seem to be) for Apoc games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3778165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 On a related note, none of the units in the battle report featured the psybolts upgrade, and that included two psyflemen. Or just riflemen dreads, I guess now. The report never actually mentioned the strength of any units shooting, so it's possible that psybolts is an automatic piece of wargear for some units, or it's possible that the GK player just chose not to take psybolts, but I think signs are pointing to their removal from the codex Space Wolves lost access to Wolf Tooth Necklaces, Wolf Tail Talismans, Mark of the Wulfen upgrades, and spammed Wolf Standards, but that new codex is still great. I think it is premature to fret too much about the loss of Psybolts. I'm confident that our Grey Knights will be just fine without them, and without any other similar things that might also disappear, such as Servo Skulls and specialty Grenades (Rad, Psychotrope, etc.). That kinda sucks as other than the mighty Storm Raven, what AA have we got? Well, we won't know until the codex is released, or we get more detailed leaks on weapons, wargear, and special abilities. Space Wolves also got new models, whereas GKs are losing a third of the units in the army list. They lost wargear, but have more army selections. We're (potentially) losing options and army selections. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3778351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'm hoping that some of our relics give us some options that synergise with this detachment. Like allowing the character and his unit to deepstrike without scatter on the first turn. Hopefully we also retain servo skulls, as they were never an Inquisitor Only option. I really like this new detachment. It really helps us play to our strengths, quickly closing the gap with the enemy and dropping a fearsome load of firepower in a concentrated area, then double-daring the enemy to come in close and finish us off. It won't always be our best choice, but I like it a lot more than our current options of either dropping a few units in piecemeal, or footslogging across the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3778353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnImA8 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 That new detachment option creates an interesting Troops vs Elites dynamic. On the one hand it reduces the total number of troop squads needed and sacrifices OS for an additional Elite slot--this makes me think that the detachment should be used when you specifically want to use 4 Elite squads. But, on the other hand, if you just want the Rites of Teleportation then you don't have to focus on Elites per se and you can just use a lot of Deepstriking Strikes and Terminators.This begs some interesting questions: is it worth dropping OS, an FA, HS, and 2 Troops slots for RoT? How about for a single extra Elite slot? What about for both?Even more interesting is: will Purifiers get Deep Strike? If they don't, then the dilemma becomes even more clear--you cannot have an extra Elite slot and maximize RoT usage (at least where Purifiers are involved). If you can teleport Purifiers now, then suddenly the detachment becomes a lot more interesting.But I wouldn't be surprised if Purifiers stay the same and the detachment just becomes a method of deploying Draigowing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/#findComment-3778368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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