ChaoticEric Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I'm not sure this new formation is worth losing Objective secured. The rules are nice but in my opinion do not justify losing the regular formation rules. Objective secured terminators are just too awesome.I might have missed something but if we're talking about the nemesis strike force detachment, why would we loose objective secured if we use it? I thought it's a detachment that can be taken as part of a battle forged list? But again, I must admit I don't know these rules as well as I should.Objective Secured is a benefit of the Combined Arms Detachment (otherwise known as the "normal" FOC), so any troops from it gain objective secured.Personally, I think objective secured is a bit overrated. Of the 20 or so games I've played since 7th was released, I've yet to win/lose a game due to objective secured.Thanks for the clarification, I thought OS came with being battle forged and not with the detachment :)On that note, if Inquisition-entries are taken out of our codex now, what happens if I want to run GK as my main detachment (combined arms) and ally with an Inquisitor and retinue. There are no troop choices in the Inquisition codex so it can't follow the allied FOC in the combined arms detachment (min. one HQ and one troop) but it follows the allied detachment in the Inquisition codex (min. one HQ). Do I have to run it as an unbound army or can I keep objective secured for my main detachment? Codex: Inquisition has a specific Inquisitorial Detachment that consists of 1-2 HQ, and 0-3 Elites (warbands) that can be taken regardless of any Allied Detachments. Only question remaining then is if it's too cheesy to ally my GK with 1 inquisitor with 3 servitors with heavy plasma, 3 acolytes with plasma guns and 2 psykers and 1 inquisitor with 3 servitors with multi melta, 3 acolytes with meltaguns and 2 psykers... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/page/3/#findComment-3779389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I'm not sure this new formation is worth losing Objective secured. The rules are nice but in my opinion do not justify losing the regular formation rules. Objective secured terminators are just too awesome. I might have missed something but if we're talking about the nemesis strike force detachment, why would we loose objective secured if we use it? I thought it's a detachment that can be taken as part of a battle forged list? But again, I must admit I don't know these rules as well as I should. Objective Secured is a benefit of the Combined Arms Detachment (otherwise known as the "normal" FOC), so any troops from it gain objective secured. Personally, I think objective secured is a bit overrated. Of the 20 or so games I've played since 7th was released, I've yet to win/lose a game due to objective secured. You're forgetting how much our enemies will hate cheap, OS Terminators though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/page/3/#findComment-3779451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 How cheap can cheap be though, after buying kit n stuff, I still think we are looking at 40 points per model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/page/3/#findComment-3779783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 How cheap can cheap be though, after buying kit n stuff, I still think we are looking at 40 points per model.which is cheaper than before and the only OS TDA in the game irrc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/page/3/#findComment-3779825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Deathwing are still OS (if you take belial) and until recently, wolf guard in TDA with logan could be OS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/page/3/#findComment-3780008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Our terminators were 40pts with free CC upgrades. The only thing that's gotten cheaper for them are warding staves by a lot! (I wonder what their ability is now?) and falchions by 1 single point and psycannons by 5 I think? So depending on how you kit them out they are both cheaper and more expensive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/page/3/#findComment-3780087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Our terminators were 40pts with free CC upgrades. The only thing that's gotten cheaper for them are warding staves by a lot! (I wonder what their ability is now?) and falchions by 1 single point and psycannons by 5 I think? So depending on how you kit them out they are both cheaper and more expensive. Leave them with Swords, and they're 7 points cheaper. Upgrade to Halberds, and still 5 points cheaper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/page/3/#findComment-3780201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Does not sound much but that could be a free Termie in every 10 or so. I like the sound of that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/page/3/#findComment-3780328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Noctis Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Does not sound much but that could be a free Termie in every 10 or so. I like the sound of that. Indeed. The struggle of our current codex for me is squeezing in all the other little trinkets while keeping my Terminators in the list. Now they're cheaper, I should be happier. ^-^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295166-a-close-source-reveals-information-from-the-new-wd/page/3/#findComment-3780332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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