Question about the Seige of Terra

[Schultzhoffen]

Perhaps I've forgotten but where were the Space Wolves and the Dark Angels during the Seige?

 

Were the only Loyalist Legions present the Imperial Fists, Blood Angels and White Scars?

 

Furthermore, how long did the Seige last?

 

Thanks.

[Fire Golem]

I think the DA were held away by warp storms?

And the SW were held up by Alpha Legion, I believe. But I could be wrong

[Grotsmasha]

The Dark Angels and the Space Wolves were travelling together, making a bee-line for Terra, but were being held up but interference and Russ' propensity to stop for a good fight.

Spot on for the Loyalist legions.

I've no idea how long the siege lasted, but I want to say the better part of 200 days.

 

Cheers,

Jono

[Marshal Rohr]

Hopefully they will do the logical thing and allow all the Legions to have some representation at Terra.

 

Because I want Dark Angels and Iron Hands dang it!

[Kol Saresk]

I think that with the Crusader Host, Representation won't be a problem. The question is will it just be the Crusader Host?

[Marshal Rohr]

It would be cool if those forces not at Isstvan from the Shattered Legions made it to Terra, and cooler still if the reserves of the Dark Angels and Space Wolves were present to. Ultramarines at Terra would be the coolest, so I can build my dream army of Ultra and Fist Breacher wall

[Olis]

There seems to be a certain exclusivity for the legions that stood on Terra against the Warmaster. There is a prestige about it and it's a driving force behind, for example, the questions about why the Ultramarines were stuck in Ultramar. I'd rather not have an all-inclusive version where more than a handful of representatives are present for all of the loyalists. It dilutes the feeling of the Siege being a last stand . I'd say it's fair enough to include the Crusader Host - they're already there on Terra. 

[Millicant]

There seems to be a certain exclusivity for the legions that stood on Terra against the Warmaster. There is a prestige about it and it's a driving force behind, for example, the questions about why the Ultramarines were stuck in Ultramar. I'd rather not have an all-inclusive version where more than a handful of representatives are present for all of the loyalists. It dilutes the feeling of the Siege being a last stand . I'd say it's fair enough to include the Crusader Host - they're already there on Terra. 

 

I definitely agree.  I would cheapen the grandeur if every legion made it back for the siege.  

 

However, I imagine there are ways to work the other legions into the story.  For instance, classic fluff has the Dark Angels and Space Wolves racing back to Terra (albeit slowed down by Russ's insistence on stopping for wolf chow along the way).  I imagine the climax involving these two legions battling their way through the outer edges of the solar system, desperate to stand at their father's side.  Other traitor forces slow them down and by the time they arrive at Terra, Horus has already dropped his shields and the duel has finished.  

 

That's my dream, anyways.  

[Legatus]

Aw, if you take the Siege props away from the IF, BA & WS, what else do they have?

Edit: But then the entire HH series is all about raining on everyone's parade. Except the Space Wolves, maybe, who are now the mighty executioners of the Emperor and the scariest and most brutal of all the Legions.

[Wade Garrett]

No.

 

No, no, no, NO!

 

The Imperial Fists have a grand total of ONE novella and a lot of "Meanwhile, the Imperial Fists sat on Terra doing nothing."

 

And people want to take their big moment of glory and turn into another Ultramarines, Space Wolves, and Shattered Legions...God Emperor on Earth, enough of the Shattered Legions, who apparently did 80% of the fighting in the Heresy despite losing 9/10s of their guys on Isstvan V.

[Marshal Rohr]

Conquest is about the Imperial Fists and shattered legions out and about. Personally, I like the fists holding the fort down. Kingdom of Heaven wasn't dramatic because Orlando Bloom decided an expedition was a good idea after all.

[Millicant]

No.

 

No, no, no, NO!

 

The Imperial Fists have a grand total of ONE novella and a lot of "Meanwhile, the Imperial Fists sat on Terra doing nothing."

 

And people want to take their big moment of glory and turn into another Ultramarines, Space Wolves, and Shattered Legions...God Emperor on Earth, enough of the Shattered Legions, who apparently did 80% of the fighting in the Heresy despite losing 9/10s of their guys on Isstvan V.

Yikes man, dramatic much?

 

Methinks your perspective may be skewed by the fact that this point of the heresy (where FW and BL are in the progression) deals largely with the destruction of said legions, and their recovery and aftermath. This too shall pass. Have patience, brother.

[Phalanx Warder]

I Have to agree about the VII Legion working on terra, lets face it the Palace isn't the only place on the planet that would need fortification and and rebuilt, also given Dorn's temperament and his desire not to fail in any tasking he would have thrown the legion in its entirety at the task. Even with all the equipment they must of had on Terra I assume that the bulk of the legion was adding their strength to the task of fortification, with the others either pulling security or training the influx of new Astartes given all of the Gene wrights on Terra I Assume that they taught the Fists a lil something, could help explain 40k fist ability to replace casualties.

[Ordo Machinum]

Leave Terra to the IF, BA, and WS.

 

If ALL the Legions were there, and they STILL failed to keep the Big E from getting dumped into the Golden Throne....?

 

THAT's depressing! At least there's still enough "if only X was there" to keep everything grim and dark.

[Mazryonh]

When I saw the topic title, I immediately thought it was going to be about when FW is going to cover the Siege of Terra.  I remember another thread saying that a person in his fifties asked one of the FW staff at one of their conventions if he would live to see FW cover the Siege of Terra.  One of the staff members told him no.

 

Anyway, how about the remnants of the Iron Hands?  I would think that their combat doctrine would make them well-suited for defensive operations, such as this pivotal campaign.

[Kol Saresk]

So far what we've seen of the Iron Hands is them taking the offensive.

[depthcharge12]

It would actually be interesting and funny if what Astelan said was true and if the Dark Angels arrived with the Wolves at the siege.

 

 

I think it would make a nice alternate history as the Lion sees Horus winning and turns his guns on the wolves (after being so pissed at them) and obliterates them. He then turns to Horus, but let's him get killed by the Emps, but then rallies the heretical forces to finally destroy the Palace.

 

 

The Lion comes home and still pisses off Luther because the Lion is still the big guy in charge. Hmm....

[Marshal Rohr]

When I saw the topic title, I immediately thought it was going to be about when FW is going to cover the Siege of Terra. I remember another thread saying that a person in his fifties asked one of the FW staff at one of their conventions if he would live to see FW cover the Siege of Terra. One of the staff members told him no.

 

Anyway, how about the remnants of the Iron Hands? I would think that their combat doctrine would make them well-suited for defensive operations, such as this pivotal campaign.

Surely they were joking, right? It's a little hubristic for FW to be planning a series that will take longer to produce than the actual event.

 

 

That's obviously the realm of 'one book a year' Black Library. Does anyone realize that if Horus Rising/False Gods was the start of the Heresy, it actually ended last year?

[Kol Saresk]

The Long War never ended.

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

When I saw the topic title, I immediately thought it was going to be about when FW is going to cover the Siege of Terra. I remember another thread saying that a person in his fifties asked one of the FW staff at one of their conventions if he would live to see FW cover the Siege of Terra. One of the staff members told him no.

Anyway, how about the remnants of the Iron Hands? I would think that their combat doctrine would make them well-suited for defensive operations, such as this pivotal campaign.

I'd love to see a few Clans involve themselves in the Martian Civil War - I'd imagine if a bunch of X^th Legionaries arrived at Terra, Dorn would set them to work o Mars, given their advanced technology, close ties with the AdMech, and the fact their main use in the Great Crusade was against the most technologically powerful enemies the nascent Imperium faced.

Plus, Iron Hands fighting alongside Titans, Knights & Battle-Automata is just so cool

[Icarus1138]

I think the only legion likely to have forces at Terra (other than the big three of course) would be the Iron Hands. The legions that are still intact have their forces accounted for and are not described as being present. The Salamanders are scattered and the Raven Guard turned down the opportunity to garrison Terra in favor of playing to their own strengths. The Iron Hands are certainly not going to be on Terra in numbers sufficient to turn the battle, but with multiple clans operating independently I find it hard to believe at least one wouldn't show up to Dorn's call. Indeed, we have a promise to do just that in the Riven short story.

 

They've never been described as being present at the battle but that would likely be a result of the small numbers they could bring. After all, if 12 entire legions plus support are battling it out, Clan Whatever with their 700 men holding gate 24-Theta isn't exactly getting a page in the history books.