Hyaenidae Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 *puts hand over ears, squeezes his eyes shut, and starts mumbling* The 41st millennium doesn't exist, The 41st millennium doesn't exist, The 41st millennium doesn't exist, The 41st millennium doesn't exist..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 *please see my above post* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Hey now I said in theory. Don't be wishing 40k away or else my chapter won't exist. It took me a long time to find one...especially one rumored to be successor of Grey Knights. *cough*thisis30k*cough* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 This. Is. The HERESY! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 http://x1.fjcdn.com/comments/That+s+like+double+heresy+_31122e73581202a7b86d89791bc1f4cc.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I offer no praise to no faine or dirty The 41st millenium is just an April fools joke that's stretching past it's original joke date. There are no wolves on fenris Especially pulling slays There are no terminators operating giant suits if armour there are no black Templars worshipping witches There are no iron hands without bionics Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 And so it hath been decreed! And so it shall be Observed! The Primus Orator Fluffitar Hath Spoken! (hope you understood this...I really don't know where I was going with this >_> ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Alright, enough hating on the 41st millenium (for now). Let's get this back on topic, y'all. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Sir, yes sir! So, beyond the Generally accepted conspiracy within a conspiracy within a conspiracy, et cetera et sic in aeternum, that is Janus being Omegon, Khyron(sp?) being a Nightlord and Epithemus being a Dark Angel...also that one bit about a Thousand Son being discussed earlier (can't quite remember it), which other Legions are likely to have contributed to the GKs? Just the Traitors (Dark Angels kinda count lol...don't lynch me :( ), which Loyalists would've been most likely to contribute? Personally, I don't see and Iron Hand being in nor a Raven Guard (stealth > Secrecy, the latter being GK's focus and covered by AL...potentially) but do kinda see an IF Templar or Blood Angel being inducted...hmmm..thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 What if no Legion did? What if the founders were taken as aspirants specifically to fulfill this fate? Maybe Legion gene-seed was used, but being of a Legion is more than just going through the augmentation process with their genetics. Maybe the first Grey Knights began as Grey Knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Hmm, you are right of course, but I think I wasn't clear in that I was asking in terms of Grand Master contribution...might have to clear that up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I was referring to the Grand Masters, such as Khyron, Janus, the like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Well then...My bad :P I can see it happening, Going in with ~3-4 Grand Masters, being shunted into the warp for long period of time and coming out with a pure GK force with only those 3-4 being the only non GK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Yeah, but what if all of them began from the very earliest moment of selection as mortal juveniles as Grey Knights? Including each of the Grand Masters? Zero former Legions. Only the Grey Knights. Edit: Imagine thousands of children native to Sol. Tens of thousands. Maybe more. Taken. Trained. Enhanced. Dying. Failing. More are taken. More are rejected. Until finally, they get the process right, by creating 8? that are stable, successful. We need more, but we can't. Horus is here. Hide the Eight on Titan. Hide Titan itself. Accompany them with a large supply of possible aspirants. Centuries pass. A demigod is thwarted, a god is dead, and the true gods laugh. Titans return. A Chapter stands ready. The Eight are well on their way to becoming the total bamfs they will be deemed in the future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Well, then that puts a wrench into the whole Conspiracy theory now does it :P Though, how would a Brother Knight get promoted to Grand Master if ALL of them were juveniles and learned through Hypno Therapy and War Game / inter-chapter combat drills? Promotions to Justicar are rather easily justified, them being the Lowest Command Rank, Brother-Captain, maybe the most exemplary Justicars? But Grand Masters (and later Supreme Grand Master) are harder to justify (imo) since they'd require a whole breadth of experience not found while in your own pocket dimension in the warp awaiting translation back into the materium, stuck training among'st themselves. There has to be some form of Seniority to have come from outside to lead the chapter in its formative stages; though if Knights-Errant were there ONLY as drill Sergeants and the like and were able to assign ranks and the such until their return to realspace, then yeah, I think I could see it happening, since most of those speculated to have taken part in the GK project held senior command ranks and would probably be able to judge potentials correctly. Though that would mean Janus was one hell of a BAMF if he was but a standard - but exceptional - Grey Knight; one not seen in 10k years... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I'm imagining a Grey Knight version of Enders Game. Not read it but would that fit with Mortarion's Heart stuff about Janus? Although I would like it if all the current 'candidates' for the Grand Masters are killed off as we get closer to the point they should become the Grand Masters. I'd also like for none of the Knights Errant to become them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3795710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Except we already know who Epimetheus is. He was definitely a Dark Angel before becoming a Grey Knight founder. EDIT: Oh and it doesn't fit with the plaque on Khyron's statue, nor what Mortarion says about Janus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3796002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Maybe. Maybe not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3796029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Are you replying with "Maybe. Maybe not." to the Epimetheus bit or the second part? Would you care to expand? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3796053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Could Yesugei of the White Scars possibly be another Grey Knight founder? I was just reading scars and noticed that he was able to banish a daemon, and possibly if he's able to link up at Terra, he might be another founder. While it is speculated that Arvida is the founder of the Blood Ravens, is it possible for him to be a GK instead? He has to banish psychneunin with psychic powers in a similar way (well not banish, but destroy) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3796084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Are you replying with "Maybe. Maybe not." to the Epimetheus bit or the second part? Would you care to expand? That we know anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3796150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Because they're Grey Knights and their founding and who participated in it is more of a Thought exercise and conspiracy theory gathering more than anything :P Fun either way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3796175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Because they're Grey Knights and their founding and who participated in it is more of a Thought exercise and conspiracy theory gathering more than anything :P Fun either way. I'm not bashing the thought exercise (I gave my true thoughts on the matter a while back), I just like bringing up opposing theories to show how incredibly wide the possibilities are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3796181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Don't fault you for it, thinking outside the box is also a good way of approaching something to get a better answer than what is currently available while opening new avenues of discussion that could've otherwise been ignored. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/10/#findComment-3796303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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