Praetor of Calth Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I agree at a glance the heraldry Janus does resemble a stylised A, and I think the extra two bars represent the Brotherhood number. The two Inquisition symbols in Janus's heraldry form together to form an A eseque shape, crossed over by two additional bars to mark him as of the 3rd Brotherhood. The theme is continued in Epimetheus's heraldry with the 5 points of the red shield representing the 5th brotherhood. And the 8th Legion/Brotherhood link is obvious. Edit: While the they picked the best designs argument will no doubt have some truth behind it. The designs must have been made with the characcters in mind, or Epimetheus's heraldry wouldn't be so damn relevant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I have very little knowledge about Grey Hunters background besides what I read on here. Who is Epimetheus suppose to be? Also are the numbered brotherhood(3rd, 5th, 8th) suppose to provide hints or clues to the members origins? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I find it kinda weird that Janus is the Supreme Grandmaster, but leads the 3rd Brotherhood not the 1st. Janus' shield does look like the Inquisition logo twice, but broken at the bottom to look like an A. Well we know who Epimetheus is, and his shield backs that up. Khyron's I think all but confirms he's a Night Lord. I have very little knowledge about Grey Hunters background besides what I read on here. Who is Epimetheus suppose to be? Also are the numbered brotherhood(3rd, 5th, 8th) suppose to provide hints or clues to the members origins? Epimetheus is Zahariel from the two Dark Angels HH books ... probably. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Does this mean we can start a debate on weather the Red Hunters are successors of Night Lords? Their symbol is the skull with Inquisition mark on the forehead. I know I am beating a dead horse about this but I was reading their fluff recently to possibly use as a chapter so their symbol is kind of still fresh on my mind. Sorry all if that's the case i'll just end it at this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrafficCustodes Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Cheers for posting those MasterOfMankind. I'm not 100% convinced that's a winged skull. I see it, but I also feel it could be something else... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 To me it looks like the Pre-Heresy Death Guard symbol in front of a sideways Inquisition "I". Not wings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I don't know about you guys, but if we're going along with Omegon = Janus, then doesn't Janus' Heraldry also resemble a broken up / squared Omega? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wgOZnTTn4oo/TVwUxt29uCI/AAAAAAAAABg/GIJ475I-C_E/s1600/Omega+Symbol_edited-5.jpg With some Inquisition =][= mixed into it too? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Yeah I forgot about that one. Intrigue all around! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Well, it's a skull on top of the Inquisition emblem sideways. It's as close to the NL symbol as you can get without it being too obvious I think. Yup, it could be Alpha or Omega. Perhaps that's the point? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrafficCustodes Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Man, this is destroying my mind. And we probably won't get confirmation for years. Since the codex just dropped, I'm sure there's a GK 40k era story on the way where they drip-feed us another bit of possibly misleading information... those are pretty fun to be fair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Man, this is destroying my mind. And we probably won't get confirmation for years. Since the codex just dropped, I'm sure there's a GK 40k era story on the way where they drip-feed us another bit of possibly misleading information... those are pretty fun to be fair. If we get confirmation. We might not ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Well, isn't the point of this being convoluted, complicated, frustrating and down right insane asylum worthy not the Modus Operandi Of the Alpha Legion? If one of their Primarchs decided to go pro Imperium, I doubt he'd suddenly stop doing that... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Thought popped in my head but I'm wondering if we really want confirmation? We're going back and forth throwing ideas on who is who and debating and stuff. If they flat out come out and say who is really who then that's kind of it. The mystery Is revealed and well that's it. Sometimes I wonder if everything should be confirmed or revealed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrafficCustodes Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Yeah, I see your point. It might be something they tease at but never fully reveal; I'd imagine that towards the end of the Heresy series they'll have to decide whether they want to show the whole thing or just give vague hints. I feel certain that some things in the lore will NEVER EVER EVER be confirmed or revealed; we're not getting a II Legion or XI Legion novel, for example. Some stuff... seems more likely to be revealed, I think. From the Grey Knights being a very popular faction and the HH series being a big seller, I'd think it's reasonable that BL will give a fair bit of page space to their founding. Not that they have to reveal everyone's secret identities to do that, but even if they're already all fake-named up, we might see the Grandmasters in action, and we might be able to infer, from that, who's behind the masks. Will that cheapen the mystery a bit? Maybe, if they do it badly... but you can always choose not to buy it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 If it was up to me I would like the Garro series to end just after the siege of terra. The first 8 were only ever meant to start up the inquisition and not actually be Grey Knights(from what I read anyways). So we get a conclusion to the Garro storyline while also leaving the grey knights origins open. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Please, oh please, let Garro fall fighting Khârn. *begins praying hard* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I could see that happening and still work within the storyline. Who's to say that Garro really did help start the inquisiton at the end of the heresy?Maybe they'll use him and his death as a symbol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3788953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowlzee Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Garro was tasked by Malcador to bring together persons of interested. I believe Garro is bringing together the 8 starting members of the brotherhood but is not included in that number himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3789041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 So it can leave room for Garro to die which curiously Heathens wants a lot...I think we need to keep an eye on him just to be safe. It would also keep the formation of the Inquisition going forward. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3789043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Please, oh please, let Garro fall fighting Khârn. *begins praying hard* Why Khârn though? Wouldn't it make symbolically more sense that he goes out fighting Typhus or Mortarion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3789048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 So it can leave room for Garro to die which curiously Heathens wants a lot...I think we need to keep an eye on him just to be safe. It would also keep the formation of the Inquisition going forward. Please, oh please, let Garro fall fighting Khârn. *begins praying hard* Why Khârn though?Wouldn't it make symbolically more sense that he goes out fighting Typhus or Mortarion? It's Heathens. 1.)It means he's taken a shine to Garro. 2.)In suitable grimdark fashion, Heathens wants him to die. 3.)In conclusion, Heathens then wants him to die by the hands of Khârn, who(as written by A D-B )a suitably epic character to carry out the execution. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3789051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Personally, I would like if it has an extra layer of disconnect between those we have so far seen and the true founders. Like, the Errant Knights don't found the Inquisition and Grey Knights, because by then they are all already gone. But those they gather provide the template and precedent for which these institutions are founded, but do not themselves become part of these institutions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3789053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Please, oh please, let Garro fall fighting Khârn. *begins praying hard* It would be ironic for Khârn to push Garro into a fellblade or something lol. I do want Khârn though to get a capital kill instead of unnamed grunts that he butchers through. I nearly got off to him taking down Erebus for his bromance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3789073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Maybe he'll kill varren? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3789082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Nah. I want Varren to die something ignoble. Like starting to announce who he is before being cut down by Sevatar or Abaddon, who says "Oh shut up will you!" and as they walk away, the paint on the shoulderpad is scratched away enough to reveal the old white and blue of the World Eaters. Anything else would be a hero's death and that's just too good for a Loyalist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295352-grey-knights-origins/page/7/#findComment-3789084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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