Jump Packs for BA Characters

[Chaplain_Sam]

Anyone else feel like almost every BA character/HQ should have the option to take jump packs? Ideally we'd have the option to leave the packs off too, rather than being stuck with them. I'd love to take Gabriel Seth with a squad of ASM. Obviously he still wouldn't be the ideal HQ, but at least I wouldn't feel like I am putting myself at a huge disadvantage. Likewise, it would be nice to take Lemartes without a jump pack. It just seems like as the "jump pack space marines", we should have that flexibility.

 

Corbulo with a jump pack would be gravy. 

 

Thoughts?

[FishFuzz99]

That would be nice. Lemartes looks like he would be lots of fun, but the cost of running jump pack DC to go with him is just too high.

[Quixus]

That would be nice. Lemartes looks like he would be lots of fun, but the cost of running jump pack DC to go with him is just too high.

Just put Lemartes and footslogging DC in a Stormraven.

 

Yes, such options would be awesome, but it seems that optional transportation for special characters only eseems to come in the form of vehicles (Moondrakkan, Slableclaw etc.).

[Chaplain_Sam]

 

That would be nice. Lemartes looks like he would be lots of fun, but the cost of running jump pack DC to go with him is just too high.

Just put Lemartes and footslogging DC in a Stormraven.

 

Yes, such options would be awesome, but it seems that optional transportation for special characters only eseems to come in the form of vehicles (Moondrakkan, Slableclaw etc.).

That Stormraven would be a juicy target. Good point on Moondrakkan and co. Hopefully the trend changes with the new BA book! 

[Leonaides]

Hard to even begin to 'balance' that though.

[Jolemai]

No, no and thrice no.

 

I am quite sure that Tycho, Corbulo, Mephiston, Seth, Pharos, etc, have received training with Jump Packs however, they prefer to fight on foot. This is just how they are and is part of the process that makes them unique. Make a list around them, don't lament that they don't fit into your list.

[Shaezus]

But that's like saying if there was an emergency deployment which absolutely required jump packs, tycho, corbulo and mephiston would refuse because of their preference?

 

I want to see our penguins able to fly like the other 99.7% of the chapter.

[Jolemai]

Such an "emergency deployment" would not be the norm, so why should it be covered? Not only that but we are Space Marines. I can see the Imperial Guard having to resort to such measures but a Space Marine commander would find another way - or someone else would be tasked with that theatre of war.

 

By restricting special characters it makes them unique and makes the player have to think about them. If our specials came with every option, hardly anyone would use the stock unnamed characters. They just don't need to do everything.

[Remtek]

Most of the BA character's never see the light of day due to poor game design. I still think most named characters should be non-customizable, main issues are bad statlines in general. For example: I'd love to pick up Lemartes, but i think best solution would be to fix JP pricing on DC, not giving him the option of taking it on and off. I'm sure Mephiston will get some type of wings power when the new codex releases.

[Shaezus]

Such an "emergency deployment" would not be the norm, so why should it be covered? Not only that but we are Space Marines. I can see the Imperial Guard having to resort to such measures but a Space Marine commander would find another way - or someone else would be tasked with that theatre of war.

 

By restricting special characters it makes them unique and makes the player have to think about them. If our specials came with every option, hardly anyone would use the stock unnamed characters. They just don't need to do everything.

Having every option is something else. Having jump packs is one thing, the bread and butter of BA. Hence our DoA chapter 'trait'. It just makes absolutely no sense to have a few key individuals who can deploy by any means whatsoever, but not jump packs. We are not just space marines. We have a speciality.

 

 

Most of the BA character's never see the light of day due to poor game design. I still think most named characters should be non-customizable, main issues are bad statlines in general. For example: I'd love to pick up Lemartes, but i think best solution would be to fix JP pricing on DC, not giving him the option of taking it on and off. I'm sure Mephiston will get some type of wings power when the new codex releases.

Again with lemartes it's about codex politics, not the unique character of each army which jervis johnson claims was one of the main motivations of 7th ed.

 

Rant aside, even a 5-point reduction in D coy JP would probably see them being fielded more, lemartes too. Personally my fave unit in 40k but too expensive to be competitive.

[Quixus]

Such an "emergency deployment" would not be the norm, so why should it be covered? Not only that but we are Space Marines. I can see the Imperial Guard having to resort to such measures but a Space Marine commander would find another way - or someone else would be tasked with that theatre of war.

A skilled commander should use the most appropriate tool for the job, not change the job to be ablke to use only a fraction of the available tools. Unless those characters have some inherent inability to use jump packs it makes no sense not to use them on occasion. On the other hand you could make the argument for any piece of wargear not available to characters. Why are there no HQs with TDA and assault cannons/CMLs?

 

While it is all fine and dandy to make a unique character with a certain load out and special rules, I'd much prefer more of a build your own character approach. Take the basic stat line and gear and add special rule a for x points and weapon b for y points etc.

[Jolemai]

The other angle is that of part of a narrative; you are overseeing each named character engage with his chosen set up for this particular task at hand. Whether or not he's used different in the past or future is irrelevant: for this particular mission, (e.g.) Tycho has "opted" to go in on foot.

 

Anyway, I'm out. It's quite apparent that I can't get my point across so enjoy your wish listing :)

[marine7312000]

I absolutely love Jump Packs. But I do NOT want every BA named character to have them. I could see the argument for Tycho to have one, but I like the fact that he doesn't. He's a Captain in a company that is known for closing with the enemy at speed and he CHOOSES not to use a jump pack. If GW intended for the BA to be a jump-pack central army they would have equipped every unit entry with jump packs and removed those entries that couldn't take them. They didn't do so last time and I highly doubt they'll do so next time.

[Chaplain_Sam]

No, no and thrice no.

I am quite sure that Tycho, Corbulo, Mephiston, Seth, Pharos, etc, have received training with Jump Packs however, they prefer to fight on foot. This is just how they are and is part of the process that makes them unique. Make a list around them, don't lament that they don't fit into your list.

Mephiston uses psychic powers to jump around, I'm not sure I'd say he prefers to fight on foot . Otherwise, good point!

The other angle is that of part of a narrative; you are overseeing each named character engage with his chosen set up for this particular task at hand. Whether or not he's used different in the past or future is irrelevant: for this particular mission, (e.g.) Tycho has "opted" to go in on foot.

Anyway, I'm out. It's quite apparent that I can't get my point across so enjoy your wish listing

I hadn't really thought of the narrative aspect of it. I suppose part of what makes special characters special is their fluff/equipment.

If there was a jump special character that was reasonably competitive then it wouldn't be an issue for me. Right now they are all painfully expensive, excluding Lemartes. In that case DC jump packs are the issue.

[Quixus]

Mephiston uses psychic powers to jump around, I'm not sure I'd say he prefers to fight on foot . Otherwise, good point!

He did that when the codex was released. He cannot do that any more for quite some time.

[Lucien Eilam]

I want to see our penguins able to fly like the other 99.7% of the chapter.

 

What, like the Terminators, and the Sternguard, and the Tactical Squads, and the Scouts, and the Devastators?

 

The Blood Angels are Codex-adherent. The vast majority of the Chapter fights on foot.

[Chaplain_Sam]

Mephiston uses psychic powers to jump around, I'm not sure I'd say he prefers to fight on foot . Otherwise, good point!

He did that when the codex was released. He cannot do that any more for quite some time.

Right. He made a fluffy point, I just made a fluffy observation. I know BA lost book powers. Perhaps when the new book comes out Mephiston will fly around the board again.

[Shaezus]

 

I want to see our penguins able to fly like the other 99.7% of the chapter.

What, like the Terminators, and the Sternguard, and the Tactical Squads, and the Scouts, and the Devastators?

 

The Blood Angels are Codex-adherent. The vast majority of the Chapter fights on foot.

You're taking my words right out of context. For starters I am talking BA, not any other chapter. Those terminators, sternguard, tacticals and devastators; are they not all jump-pack trained marines? In this chapter? What does it say in the BA codex about BA marines being JP trained? Scouts do not count m'fraid.

 

If you are seriously saying my point is akin to demanding terminator armour be fitted with jump packs, you are missing my point completely. But to support your point, why is it that corbulo, or mephiston cannot use JPs? Where would be the breach in codex by allowing them to do so, considering a sanguinary priest can and so can a librarian?

[Leonaides]

They 'can' use jump packs, but they choose not to in the particulat instance that your battle represents. Maybe corbulo was once shot out of the sky while using a jump pack or he feels that a big bulky pack may prevent him reaching injured marines who may be caught in wreckage of a crashed raven or rhino.

 

'Sorry bud,you're gonna burn and your geneseed will be lost but hey- look at my jump pack!'

 

Maybe meph feels a jump pack makes him a bit too encumbered while in his favoured sword fighting style or something, or just doesnt like to be so conspicuous on a battlefield?

[Shaezus]

Gah. Imagine the pre-battle brief..

 

Dante: "Right guys, I've been up all night on this one and trust me you're gonna love it. To start with.." (goes into a fully detailed 20-minute briefing, addressing two full companies)..."but the final and most important part is this: corbs, you take your men and land here. Then use your packs to get here under cover of smoke before...what? What is it corbs?"

 

Corbulo: " Umm...boss...you know I don't like using packs since that time when...well you know when." (unconsciously scratches an old wound on his backside)

 

Dante: "Oh feth yeah...sorry, forgot. Duh. Right sorry guys, the jump is postponed while I find a replacent or another plan. Be back here same time tomorrow." (goes to fetch more candles).

 

The emperor's finest, right?

[sockwithaticket]

There's not really a good justification for the current situation beyond the fabled (and laughable) 'game balance'.

[Blood & Thunder]

I always imagined corbulo's excuse was that he would spill the blood In the red grail if he took a jump pack.

[Quixus]

Yeah right, if he makes a controlled jump he will spill the blood but not if he is in close combat on foot?!

[Cpt. Lacerus]

I always imagined corbulo's excuse was that he would spill the blood In the red grail if he took a jump pack.

Surely some sort of lid could be fitted? Or perhaps I could put forth the idea of a Sippy-Cup version of the Grail, allowing him to fight without worry.

[Orblivion]

 

I always imagined corbulo's excuse was that he would spill the blood In the red grail if he took a jump pack.

Surely some sort of lid could be fitted? Or perhaps I could put forth the idea of a Sippy-Cup version of the Grail, allowing him to fight without worry.

 

 

I submit the idea that they only put the blood in the Red Grail for the initiation ritual, and it is otherwise stored in something else while Corbulo is away from Baal.