Token Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Can a wolf lord have storm shield, thunder hammer and frostfury at the same time? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295401-does-relic-weapons-need-to-have-a-weapon-to-swap/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrypantz Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 No. The wording in the wargear section stated that you replace a weapon to take a relic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295401-does-relic-weapons-need-to-have-a-weapon-to-swap/#findComment-3781718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baulder Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 except if you take relics form the champions of fenris supplement (which is something I learnt today!! :)) http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/294857-new-codex-tips-and-tricks/?p=3781223 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295401-does-relic-weapons-need-to-have-a-weapon-to-swap/#findComment-3781728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrypantz Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Well damn. That's a bit if an oversight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295401-does-relic-weapons-need-to-have-a-weapon-to-swap/#findComment-3781730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 It's GW. Are you really surprised their editing and proofreading isn't really up to snuff? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295401-does-relic-weapons-need-to-have-a-weapon-to-swap/#findComment-3781754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 One thing I have noticed is that rune priests lose their ranged weapon if they take TDA. They get the TDA for 5 points cheaper than Wolf Priests though, and can pay the 5 points to add a storm bolter, so in the end it's OK. But if you want a relic from the codex alongside the force weapon, you have to buy a storm bolter to trade for it. I bet it's going to be quite common for people to neglect to pay those 5 points, because it would be a really easy oversight to make. And I imagine that it will go unnoticed by opponents/TOs too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295401-does-relic-weapons-need-to-have-a-weapon-to-swap/#findComment-3781764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Yes it's really not the most sensible thing in the world, I've no idea why they didn't just include the storm bolter with the TDA like they did with everyone else. It's a weird decision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295401-does-relic-weapons-need-to-have-a-weapon-to-swap/#findComment-3781859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Mk.231 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Because the terminator librarian GW wants people to buy comes without a stormbolter, so it needed to be represented in the rules or it wouldn't sell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295401-does-relic-weapons-need-to-have-a-weapon-to-swap/#findComment-3782084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 That's exactly right. Clearly, for folks that haven't noticed yet, models and model options are driving rules. This is one example. Another example is the loss of Chainfist and Stormshield Lone Wolves - that option was lost, because both of those options are left-arm only options. Another example is in the Grey Knights Techmarine - he doesn't come default with a Storm Bolter and Nemesis weapon (as all other Grey Knights do), because the standard GW Techmarine model doesn't come that way. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295401-does-relic-weapons-need-to-have-a-weapon-to-swap/#findComment-3782125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 So, Champions of Fenris relics are allowed to buy without swapping, but will probably be changed in a faq? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295401-does-relic-weapons-need-to-have-a-weapon-to-swap/#findComment-3782331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Maybe, we don't know at this point. GW doesn't have the best record with FAQs addressing issues that actually require addressing, so who knows? For the time being it's safest to not model any intricate, heavily armed characters. Of course you can still use them, assuming your meta isn't too crazy about WSIWYG for trialling new builds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295401-does-relic-weapons-need-to-have-a-weapon-to-swap/#findComment-3782344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 For all we know, it was done on purpose to encourage folks to by the supplement in addition to the base codex. We'll only know for sure if/when they do Amend it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295401-does-relic-weapons-need-to-have-a-weapon-to-swap/#findComment-3783562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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