hekzed Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 At the end of this month I'm looking to start a space wolves army as I've been lurking forums and window shopping for the past 3 months. Now with the new models and new codex, I would really like to get myself playing Space wolves. I already have a 7th Ed rulebook (paperback from DV) At the end of this month I'm giving myself a limit of £250 In order to buy the start to a Space Wolves force. Essential I'm picking up is the Codex, then I was thinking of getting the "Warriors of the Fang" boxset and obviously my paints I will require. I'm going to take a shot and guess this gives me around £90 left and I was wondering what else may be essential in order to get this whole ball rolling. If i can get a crap tonne of suggestions and some assistance you can welcome me to the pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Hail and welcome to the Fang! I'm not sure how the money works across the pond, however best of luck to you. What you may want to get is: - SW Force Box (Looks like Warriors of the Fang) - SM PA Tactical Box (More Marines, spread the wolf bits around) - SW Thunderwolf Cavalry (Seriously dangerous this edition) - SW Dread Box - Stormfang Box Pick what you like from the above, and consider more, as your budget permits purchases. There's no end to what you might want, it's figuring out what you need for the force you intend to play. Consider: 1 HQ 2 Troops Are the Standard Force Organization Chart (FOC) requirements. Anything past that just gives you options. Edit: Skyclaws and Long Fangs included in Warriors of the Fang box. The Space Wolves Resources thread stickied at the top of the page includes a purchasing guide; I expect it will be your best guidance if you're unsure as to what you want to get in your army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3781996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hekzed Posted August 18, 2014 Author Share Posted August 18, 2014 Looking through the Games workshop site (so i know they are in stock/pre-order) Force box I can't find whatsoever, i believe it has been replaced with the upcoming Warriors of the Fang. But it totals down to this if its what I pick up. Warriors of the fang, 1 box of skyclaws, 1 box of Long Fangs,Thunderwolf Cavalry and the Codex for £213. If you throw paint on top of that should bring me closer to preset budget. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3782013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Looking through the Games workshop site (so i know they are in stock/pre-order) Force box I can't find whatsoever, i believe it has been replaced with the upcoming Warriors of the Fang. But it totals down to this if its what I pick up. Warriors of the fang, 1 box of skyclaws, 1 box of Long Fangs,Thunderwolf Cavalry and the Codex for £213. If you throw paint on top of that should bring me closer to preset budget. Yes, the new force box is the Warriors of the Fang; used to be the SW Battleforce one, might find some around, still, it's not that cheap if you find one. I'd say with your planned purchase and paints you should be well off on your way to getting started. If you want, getting some SM Tactical Boxes when time and money permit will let you spread the Wolf bits around more. If you get two boxes, you will go from 20 to 40 basic Space Wolves, and it's recommended in the purchasing thread above if you feel the need for more bodies. Otherwise, the ale is over there, meat's that way on that table, pull up a chair and keep the fire going, not that it's going to keep the cold away from a fellow Child of Russ, considering it won't need to now that the cold is no worry! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3782015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Hrrm. Let's see. For the fundamentals, I'd say a box of tactical marines and Warriors of the Fang is a good starting point. So, with what that, you could do something like... Rune Priest (Commander box. Save assembling this guy for last as you'll need to make your own psychic hood) 10 Grey Hunters with 2 Plasmaguns (No CC weapons-Backfield squad) 10 Grey Hunters with 2 Meltaguns, Close combat weapons and Combi-melta wolf guard pack leader 15 Blood Claws (1 Powerfist, and 2 flamers. Use the skyclaws box to make more footsloggers. Skyclaws require some measure of building around) 5-6 Long Fangs (Depends on which sprues are in the kit. I know the devastators box has 6 legs, but you may not get the sprue with the legs) (Probably go 2 Missiles, 2 Lascannons, naked Ancient. If you get enough for a 6th Long Fang, trade bits for another lascannon or missile launcher) From there, I'd play a game or two, and see what you feel you need. Thunderwolf Cavalry are a powerful, fastmoving close combat unit, a Stormwolf gunship or land raider would give those blood claws a ride. Or you could expand the basics and buy more drop pods, long fangs and grey hunters. Picking up Ulrik the Slayer is a good bet. Things I do not recommend buying: -The Dreadnaught kit: Dreadnaughts are rather counter-intuitive- Bjorn is the only thing you can make with that kit that doesn't have glaring weaknesses, and he needs support in the form of more drop pods with other stuff. There are a few decent dreadnaught builds, but they require conversions or expensive Forgeworld kits to build, so I don't reccomend them for a newbie. -Logan Grimnar on Stomrider: Awkward unit. Can be powerful, but needs a large army to support him- that you don't have. -More Skyclaws: Ultimately, skyclaws are not Thunderwolf Cavalry, and are trying to do TWC's job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3782016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Have you considered not getting some/all your stuff from GW? If you want to support your local store fair enough, but it's best to be aware of the alternatives. Examples, Weyland Games: Warriors of the Fang for £89:25 http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/games-workshop/warhammer-40k/space-wolves/space-wolves-troops/warriors-of-the-fang/prod_29175.html I've used them before and don't have any complaints. Shipping might take longer than from GW though. Dark Sphere: Warriors of the Fang for £78:75 https://www.darksphere.co.uk/pgc.php?c=112 Haven't used these guys myself, but I've heard good things. This could give you a fair bit more than £90 spare. What you'll need additionally? Your first port of call should probably be enough transports for all your squads (except the Fangs, they don't really need one), and deciding what to do with the Skyclaws. If you want to run them as Skyclaws then another box is certainly in order, 5 is too small to be effective. Or you could use them without jump Packs as regular Blood Claws. In which case you could build a 15 man unit (plus 10 Grey Hunters), this would then mean either a Land Raider crusader or a Stormwolf for them to ride in would be a wise purchase. You already get one Drop Pod, which is a good fit for a unit of Grey Hunters. So you could get more Pods and go for an alpha strike army. Rhinos I'm not really sold one anymore, they're not terrible but feel very vulnerable in the current meta. Which leaves Razorbacks, while as vulnerable as Rhinos, they have the advantage or carrying guns worth a damn, plus the squads they carry are smaller and cheaper, so one going down is less of a problem. Also, while you get some in the Warriors box, imo more Fangs isn't the best way to go. As I said in the current 'Long Fangs' thread, I don't think they represent the best investment currently. I would disagree with Squark about Dreadnoughts though. They're not amazing, but they're far from the worst thing to start out with, especially if you're playing lower point games where anti tank firepower is limited by the game size. Plus the new kit is rather good. Overall I'd recommend one of these combos (should be £90 approx if my memory serves): Land raider Crusader 2 Razorbacks This gives you a couple of utility GH units (5 man) in razorbacks, some long range from the fangs and a major threat unit with Claws in the Raider. Later purchases here should be distraction/harassment units, Dreadnought in Pods, vindicators, land speeders. Plus adding another 1-2 Razorback squads as the army grows. Skyclaws 3 Razorbacks This way around you're more spread out, which could work to your advantage as there's not a major threat for the enemy to focus on. Later purchases should focus around getting heavier armour on the field to distract from the Razorbacks (and distraction Landspeeders are rarely a bad idea). This is the weakest of the three imo, as I'm not a big fan of Skyclaws. Terminators (could swap out for another pack/Dreadnought and Pod) 2 Drop Pods This is the alpha strike set, and matches your budget least well (by my tired brain calculations anyway), as you're a bit under the £90 here, but anything else would take you way over thanks to the need for more pods. Load the Terminators up with combi weapons, pack the pods with Hunters and Drop them wherever they're needed, objective claiming, or right in the enemy's face. Later purchases, more guys and more pods, and probably some Dreadnoughts for variety. Hope I made some kind of sense here, too tired really to be making such a long post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3782035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z00Z Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Have a look at ebay, could be some sales still up for stormclaw SW's only for someone who bought it for the orks. Will give you access to 5 termies, 10 BC/GH/WG in pa and a HQ you can convert Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3782267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Listen up, lad. Here is what you gotta do: Warriors of the Fang is a great place to start because thise given minis can be used in most lists. Even if you do not want to play Wolf Guard (you use them as Pack Leaders). After that you ask yourself a very important question. Wherpe will I go with this? Do you want a shooty list or a choppy list? If shooty, drop pod alpha strike? You will need around 5 drop pods, shooty things that fit in pods like Grey Hunters, PAWG, dreads; then a bit of long ranged support in form of Long Fangs or Predators. Or maybe a midfield army? Then you want GH in Rhinos instead. Maybe you prefer high pressure lists, then you take a few pods (around 3), Vindicators, Rhinos or other fast moving units like Bikes and Jump Packs. Mech goes a step further and you end up with dreads in pods, rhinos, vindicators and stormwolves (that's what I am playing). On the choppy side you want Claws. Blood claws in Crusaders or Stormwolves, Swiftclaws, Sky Claws, possibly Wolf Guard JP/Bikes. Add some TWC and HQs on TW (like Wolf Lords). Finally, toss in Ulrik or Wolf Priests to the Claw units and watch the blood flow (best done with a Wolves Unleashed Detachment to get more HQs). Overall, get a Stormwolf since mosts lists will take one. After that you have to decide which way you will go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3782279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hekzed Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 Well as the main person I'd even be playing against is a Dark angels player (pushing on about 3k now) Then the rest of the store I go to, is pretty much space marines by what I've seen, I think i want to go for a midfield or shooty army. My current shopping basket for stuff I want to pick up is: Space Wolves codex. Warriors of the Fang 2x Grey Hunters. I'm increasing my budget as i forgot i get 6 weeks wages now. So I'm all good for troops there. I believe I'm going to need some heavy support so was thinking 2 predators as i will leave the turret detachable to be used as a rhino instead too. Need advancement from that. No termies so far so potentailly the Termies plus landraider pack too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3782352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraithwing Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 What about the following: Warriors of the Fang Grey Hunters x1 Rhino Stormwolf/Stormfang This gives you the following army: Wolf Lord / Wolf Guard Battle Leader 10x Grey Hunters in Drop Pod - Armed with Melta Guns and CCW to drop turns one and smoke armour 10x Grey Hunters in Rhino - Armed with Plasma Guns to cap back field objectives 15x Blood Claws - Ride in Stormwolf 5x Long Fangs Stormwolf gunship/transport This gives you a solid core of troops and a solid assault force in the BC's. Long Fang's and Stormwolf can take on Anti Tank and Anti Air duty. You can then look at adding in maybe another small Grey Hunter squad in a Rhino for further objective capping. You might also want to consider a unit of Thunderwolf Cavalry, and a Lord on Thunderwolf (Harald Deathwolf is a tasty character in the new dex). Also, if you can pick up Stormclaw as well as Warriors of the Fang, that would give you: Wolf Lord Wolf Guard Battle Leader 5x Wolf Guard Terminators 10x Grey Hunters 10x Grey Hunters 15x Blood Claws 5x Long Fangs Drop Pod Then sell of the Orks via ebay, and have more money to by more stuff! Cheers, WW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3782388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hekzed Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 I actually really like your suggestion. So what i can change my shopping list too is this: Warriors of the fang : £105 Grey Hunters box : £23 TWC : £33 Stormwolf + wolf guard: £77 Need to find a Wolf lord on TW. Then codex is £30 Bringing me upto : Around £300 + Paints which ill estimate around an extra £30-£40 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3782420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraithwing Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I actually really like your suggestion. So what i can change my shopping list too is this: Warriors of the fang : £105 Grey Hunters box : £23 TWC : £33 Stormwolf + wolf guard: £77 Need to find a Wolf lord on TW. Then codex is £30 Bringing me upto : Around £300 + Paints which ill estimate around an extra £30-£40 Depends what paints you already own. You can't go wrong with the three core SW paints, The Fang and Russ and Fenrisian Grey. Then any browns/bones for the wolves etc. Your updated shopping list is pretty much the army I'm planning on fielding. Wolf Lord on TW should be available from GW direct, or failing that, a number of online retailers have him in stock, such as Element Games. Cheers, WW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3782453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hekzed Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 I only have mostly reds/golds and flesh tones, with a few washes. So need the greys, going to be basing in the fang. Then i need browns for wolves and some more golds,yellows and blacks. I guess I'll be picking this entire load up at the end of the month. Pretty decent investment, then the month after all i need is a carry case and I can start playing some matches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3782532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Another quick piece of advice for future reference. Don't bother with the GW carry cases, while not bad quality, they're hideously over costed. My personal recommendation would be KR, for the same price as a GW big case you can get a KR double with customisable foam, and it hold about twice as much as its Gw equivalent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3782655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hekzed Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 Here is the list (minus upgrades etc) I made on battlescribe on my way to work. Based on units i will be picking up. HQ: Wolf lord on thunder wolf - 155pt Elites: 5x Wolf Guard Terminators , inc 1 Leader w/ Power Sword and Storm Bolter 165pt Troops: 15x Bloodclaws, inc Wolf Guard Pack Leader w/ Stormwolf - 383pt 10x Grey Hunters, 2xPlasma, inc 1 Wolf Guard Pack Leader, w/ Drop Pod - 215pt 10x Grey Hunters, 2x Plasma, inc 1 Wolf Guard Pack Leader, w/ Rhino - 215pt Fast Attack: Thunderwolf Cavalry - 120 This puts me at about 1250 before upgrades and changing weapons etc So at least Troops do make a big bulk of my army, but I am missing any heavy support. Which is where i was considering either some Long Fangs or Razorbacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3783666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hekzed Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 <Reserve> For changing list, based on help from others bit more info. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3783674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282447-space-wolves-resources/ Please scroll down; this thread is located in the stickies section of this subforum. The thread links to quite a bit of useful information, and includes some old fluff articles summarized rather nicely amongst its points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3784546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hekzed Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 So the new list of things i will be purchasing and working on has now become. Warriors of the Fang 1 £105.00Stormwolf and Wolf Guard Terminators 1 £77.00Thunderwolf Cavalry 1 £33.00Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf 1 £25.00Grey Hunters 1 £23.00Rune Priest 1 £12.00Codex: Space Wolves (English) 1 £30.00Champions of Fenris - A Codex: Space Wolves supplement (English) 1 £30.00Drop Pod 1 £22.50Razorback 2 £50.00Wolf Guard Terminators 1 £28.00 Looking to create a 2000point army with this. I think I should be able to achieve it with this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295408-looking-to-start-a-space-wolves-army/#findComment-3790995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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