Landrick Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/vdcauGd.jpg From the new white dwarf per Grot Orderly. 215USD for 271USD of models! It's 15 PAGK, 5 TDA, a Landraider, and a Dreadknight Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Meh. You can get all of those units separately and cheaper on eBay or any other online store. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3782209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrick Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 Well I shop to support my fLGS which gives 20% off GW retail, so it's a steal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3782556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Well I shop to support my fLGS which gives 20% off GW retail, so it's a steal Feel fortunate you live in the US. In Oz GW have killed off local stores as much as they can, and they charge double (after adjusting for currency differences). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3782633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I thankfully still get 10% off at my FLGS, but online is far cheaper.I was lucky that I bought all the GK stuff I'd ever need from Maelstrom Games back when the plastics first came out. I still have a couple of NDKs, GKTs and PAGKs new-in-box still :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3783529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Might consider it otherwise, but the savings is basically lost on the Dreadknight that I have no interest in owning, and finding a buyer would be a hassle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3783680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Hey tvih, you notice your post count is 2,666? I have everything already so, won't do me any good. Thanks for the post tho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3783687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT_FRANCIS Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I did a bit of number crunching at cost against Vanilla SM. Our Brotherhood Champion is better than the Emperors Champion. Our Captain is way better than the Terminator Captain. Our Grand Master is easily on par with a Chapter Master, if not better, although 1 wound less. Interceptors, though more expansive are so much better and way more useful than Assault Marines. My favourite thing about this new codex is Objective Secured Landraiders. Buy one for your Terminators and park it in on an Objective, if something comes at it that it cant handle, then the 10 Stikes that borrowed it can pile out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3783913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Might consider it otherwise, but the savings is basically lost on the Dreadknight that I have no interest in owning, and finding a buyer would be a hassle. You're joking right? The Dreadknight is the best unit in our codex, hands down now. It can now move fast, shoot a lot, and hit things to death in melee, and its barely more than a Raven. Finding a buyer would be the work of seconds. Our Brotherhood Champion is better than the Emperors Champion. Our Captain is way better than the Terminator Captain. Our Grand Master is easily on par with a Chapter Master, if not better, although 1 wound less. Nobody takes those units anyway. Black Templar players only take Emperor's Champion for nostalgia's sake, he's worse in most measurable ways in 7th. Bro Champ going up in price just instantly diminishes him for me. As a cheap 100 point 'screw you' to enemy heroes, he was workable (although the 1 wound was annoying). Now that he costs more than a Librarian and does way less, I don't see the point. Bro Captain won't see play, as the Grandmaster is a cheap and very obvious upgrade over him (+1 Mastery level is amazing). The Grandmaster vs Chapter Master comparison is the only one I agree with. We do get a straight upgrade, as our GM can do psychic support as well as be a beatstick, whereas CM's are mostly beatstick. Interceptors, though more expansive are so much better and way more useful than Assault Marines. More expensive? Nope. Falchions are cheaper, and the incinerator is 1/4 the price. With falchions they're scary as hell now, a true assault unit. Incinerator is the automatic choice for them now, given psycannons are now salvo weapons (and thus the exclusive province of Purifiers, who like getting charged, and TDA who can move+shoot in 4 shot mode). My favourite thing about this new codex is Objective Secured Landraiders. Buy one for your Terminators and park it in on an Objective, if something comes at it that it cant handle, then the 10 Stikes that borrowed it can pile out. I'm toying with the idea of bringing a Land Raider to my list. Been noticing a distinct lack of melta these days. Also, defensive tech wise, we have 'Forewarning' from Prescience and 'Shrouding' from Telepathy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3783982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 "Hey guys, I have an NDK for sa... Oh, it's gone, and now there's money in my hand. How'd that happen? " Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3784056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 "Hey guys, I have an NDK for sa... Oh, it's gone, and now there's money in my hand. How'd that happen? " Not that easy here I mean sure, one can always find a buyer from somewhere, but some of the savings is still lost, because 1) Obviously no one buys from you at the price for which they can get the model from a store, so you gotta go lower. 2) postage costs tend to be high in Finland, and there aren't that many local players. I don't know if anyone's a GK player locally, never mind one and also in need of a NDK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3785030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Not that easy here I mean sure, one can always find a buyer from somewhere, but some of the savings is still lost, because 1) Obviously no one buys from you at the price for which they can get the model from a store, so you gotta go lower. 2) postage costs tend to be high in Finland, and there aren't that many local players. I don't know if anyone's a GK player locally, never mind one and also in need of a NDK. This is 40k. 'This is a money pit' should be inscribed on the cover of the main rulebook ;) . At least you'll make something out of selling a DK kit, which is more than I can say for the Land Raider (which will sit unopened in your house, gathering dust till the end of time). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3785071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brovius Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Not that easy here I mean sure, one can always find a buyer from somewhere, but some of the savings is still lost, because 1) Obviously no one buys from you at the price for which they can get the model from a store, so you gotta go lower. 2) postage costs tend to be high in Finland, and there aren't that many local players. I don't know if anyone's a GK player locally, never mind one and also in need of a NDK. This is 40k. 'This is a money pit' should be inscribed on the cover of the main rulebook . At least you'll make something out of selling a DK kit, which is more than I can say for the Land Raider (which will sit unopened in your house, gathering dust till the end of time). Hey! I only have one that's still boxed up in my shed, and it's only been there for uh... when did the previous GK codex come out again? :p I will have to pull out the two NDKs I never assembled eventually, since they're pretty auto-include now. I never did get around to finding a conversion that didn't have them looking like a babycarrier. Leaving the seatbelts off makes it look a little more palatable though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3785943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Does anyone know if I would be able to use a Land Raider Spartan or Contemptor(-mortis) Dreadnoughts in a GK list and give them GK toys? Because a 25 PA capacity, nigh indestructible Land Raider would be pretty beast to have. Not to mention that the GK's are one of if not the most well equipped Space Marine forces out there. Also Contemptors in GK colors would look really cool and the Mortis' would provide cheap-ish Anti-Air - since they get skyfire and interceptor if they don't move for a turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3785947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 What GK toys? Our upgrades are the exact same as C:SM. As to whether or not you can use it in a CAD... that depends on if the datasheet says you can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3785964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I was thinking more along the lines of them getting psychic pilot and the like - but apparently they aren't a thing anymore? If thats the case, might as well just use them as standard. Which at that point is no longer a problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3785989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Does anyone know if I would be able to use a Land Raider Spartan or Contemptor(-mortis) Dreadnoughts in a GK list and give them GK toys? Because a 25 PA capacity, nigh indestructible Land Raider would be pretty beast to have. Not to mention that the GK's are one of if not the most well equipped Space Marine forces out there. Spartans are 30k man, IIRC. You could ally Marine ones though, opponents permission notwithstanding (some people are weird about FW). They don't get Psychic Pilot or new powers if that's what you mean. Psybolts are gone as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3786177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 This is 40k. 'This is a money pit' should be inscribed on the cover of the main rulebook . At least you'll make something out of selling a DK kit, which is more than I can say for the Land Raider (which will sit unopened in your house, gathering dust till the end of time). Bah, I use my LRC, LRR or both most of the time when playing BT. I'd like the third LR to both be able to use a Godhammer variant, as well as be able to paint it as a different chapter. Spartans are 30k man, IIRC. You could ally Marine ones though, opponents permission notwithstanding (some people are weird about FW). Spartans are 40k-approved. I'd like one as they're quite beastly and look cool, but they cost too much :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3786414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Spartans are 40k-approved. I'd like one as they're quite beastly and look cool, but they cost too much Oh okay, all good then. Cost is a big issue though, you don't wanna Ally and be spending even more than Knights already do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3787157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Oh okay, all good then. Cost is a big issue though, you don't wanna Ally and be spending even more than Knights already do. Hmm, not sure sure if we're on the same page so to speak... points-wise Spartan's cost is OK considering how much better it is than regular Land Raiders, but it's the expensive model kit that's the problem (for me anyway). I just moved to a new town in spring as well, and haven't played any here after that, so I don't know how people feel about FW here. In my previous town no one used FW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3787691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Hmm, not sure sure if we're on the same page so to speak... points-wise Spartan's cost is OK considering how much better it is than regular Land Raiders, but it's the expensive model kit that's the problem (for me anyway). I just moved to a new town in spring as well, and haven't played any here after that, so I don't know how people feel about FW here. In my previous town no one used FW. That's the issue though. Land Raiders are overpriced by about 50 points as is, and the prevelance of melta makes them just too risky in a competitive environment. Sparatans IIRC have a bunch of 'good luck trying to kill me' rules, but they're still quite expensive for a tank. Knights already pay a huge premium for their infantry and support units, so when you tally up the cost of the Librarian+Scouts+Spartan, it may just be a tad too much (ie you'd have to cut too many Knights and end up with a jank list). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295418-nemesis-vanguard-new-box-bundle-with-savings/#findComment-3788280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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