Guardians of the Covenant

[Darkn3ssF4lls]

So as the title states, I am looking to get started [per my previous thread] and while I enjoy the Dark Angels lore the color scheme of this Successor chapter appeals to me. I was looking through the resources you have pinned in this sub forum and I couldn't find one that displayed the painting scheme. 

 

Now the troops will be easy to do as in the Codex: Dark Angels they have a picture of a Veteran of the Guardians of the Covenant, the rest are not so easy. 

 

So my question for this thread is the following:

1) Is there a thread on this forum for the painting scheme of a Guardians of the Covenant army?

2) If there is not said thread, does the successor chapters 1st and 2nd Companies follow the same paint scheme as their parent or would it be something like, 1st company instead of bone white they would be that Red that their robes are, and 2nd would be a grey color ?

 

Look forward to everyone's input on this :) so excited to start getting models and get them painted. 

[Grotsmasha]

I just painted a bunch of GotC Terminators for this years ETL and I stuck with the PA scheme for them too, because as far as I know GW has *never* stated or shown otherwise. The DA have different 1st Co. colours due to a post scouring event, meaning it's not a Legion tradition that all successors would inherit/adopt.

I went for a mixture of Red, Black and Metal helms just for some variety, but besides that I stuck top the PA scheme.

Here's a few threads from around the B&C;

facmanpob's GotC thread

Yellow Stripe's thead

Cheers,

Jono

[johnyocum]

The Guardians of the Covenant usually wear the red robes, no matter if they are Veterans or not.

 

I'd go with the power armor scheme on all of the other models, though I did do the crossed swords of the Guardians in red and broken for the TDA, as it kinda sorta fits with the way the Chapter symbol and the 1st Company badge are that same way in the parent chapter/legion, and it would be a way to honor one's heritage as well as their own chapter.

[Darkn3ssF4lls]

I just painted a bunch of GotC Terminators for this years ETL and I stuck with the PA scheme for them too, because as far as I know GW has *never* stated or shown otherwise. The DA have different 1st Co. colours due to a post scouring event, meaning it's not a Legion tradition that all successors would inherit/adopt.

I went for a mixture of Red, Black and Metal helms just for some variety, but besides that I stuck top the PA scheme.

Here's a few threads from around the B&C;

facmanpob's GotC thread

Yellow Stripe's thead

Cheers,

Jono

That is awesome, I am definitely in awe of the skill you linked here. I think I will make a vein attempt at this and report back several months from now with my results lol.

[Grand Master Belial]

The second to the last codex had a bike painted up in the standard colors and with the new Deathwing Knights box, it is possible to paint terminators with robes.

 

I would also stick with the PA scheme for the most part, even on the specialists.

 

In my sig is a link to a project I did to add some fluff and differences for the successors. It might be inspirational.

[Darkn3ssF4lls]

The second to the last codex had a bike painted up in the standard colors and with the new Deathwing Knights box, it is possible to paint terminators with robes.

 

I would also stick with the PA scheme for the most part, even on the specialists.

 

In my sig is a link to a project I did to add some fluff and differences for the successors. It might be inspirational.

 

Awesome work Master Belial =D love the name, i started reading your fluff there will continue to do so over the next coming months while I wait for my money to re-kindle so I can paint :P. 

[Darkn3ssF4lls]

So i was thinking to myself about a couple things, so I am assuming that the GoTC will have complete access to the arsenal that is the Dark Angels Armory ?

 

Now the Chapter Master, he obviously isn't going to have the Sword of Secrets

Does he have something = ?

 

The Chapter Master is also a member of the Inner Circle of the Dark Angels if I read correctly, now is his 1st Company also the Inner Circle ?

I noticed that there was one successor who considers themselves forgiven, does that mean their no longer apart of the Inner Circle?

[Tanyr]

The Angels of Absolution consider themselves absolved of their shame, and yes, are still members of the Unforgiven. It's essentially a term for all chapter's that bear the Lion's geneseed. Even though they view the hunt differently, they are still avid participants, viewing it as their duty to punish those who betrayed the Emperor, the Lion, and Caliban.

 

As a successor, the AoA, and all other DA offshoots including the Guardians of the Covenant have access to the same armylist/armory as the parent chapter. It is however a bit of an oversight on GW's part, as fluffwise, there can only be one Sword of Secrets, only so many Dark Shrouds, etc...Ultimately, the only thing players can do to field a chapter master equivalent is to field Azrael in a "counts as" capacity, or think of him as a temporary commander in a particular battlefield. Rulewise, there isn't any difference in how the army will play on the tabletop.

 

We function far more as a unified legion than any other 1st founding chapter, so Azrael leading other chapter's in battle isn't that difficult to believe. There was a period where the Ravenwing lost so many upper echelon leaders that there wasn't any suitable replacement, so a company master was actually brought in from one of our successors to hold that honor. 

[Grand Master Belial]

I always preferred that GW put in the titles instead of the names. Then it allows more variation especially with successors and also allows the history to move on. Azrael will fall someday but another will don the armor and wargear and be basically the same.

 

I mean is there a difference between Gideon and Sammael? Fluff wise there is but not game wise.

[Darkn3ssF4lls]

I think i saw that, was searching around trying to figure out why Ezekiel is blue and not green or white lol. Saw that maybe there was a Librarian before him?

[Bryan Blaire]

He's blue because that is the armor color for Librarians, doesn't matter what the title of the person wearing the armor is or where they sit within the organization: Librarian = blue (unless you happen to want to paint it differently, in which case have an explanation - my Librarians use the color scheme of the Deathwalkers and bear only a midnight blue book or scrolls, even their robes are sandy brownish to honor Akhundras II, their origin/home world).

[Darkn3ssF4lls]

He's blue because that is the armor color for Librarians, doesn't matter what the title of the person wearing the armor is or where they sit within the organization: Librarian = blue (unless you happen to want to paint it differently, in which case have an explanation - my Librarians use the color scheme of the Deathwalkers and bear only a midnight blue book or scrolls, even their robes are sandy brownish to honor Akhundras II, their origin/home world).

 

My thought and correct me if i'm wrong, Ezekial would have access to death wing ? he's a member of the inner circle isn't he? you can field a librarian in terminator armor why can't you field Ezekiel ? At the very least he is a member of the inner circle and thus a member [not necessarily] of the first company. 

 

If I recall Sammel knows of whats going on and his Command Squads / Knights do but other then that only the first company is aware of the Curse of the Fallen. \

 

@my named units question:

1) What do you all do ? Do you have the Dark Angels named unit deploy as if he's in charge of the area for your theater of battle ? [the table in which the battle takes place]

2) Do you create your own = 

 

I think the second one is a better option because what happens if you fight an actual Dark Angels chapter for example? I don't have my main rule book yet so i'm not sure if this is covered in there, but I think for me it would be weird to see Azrael fighting Azrael haha. 

[Grotsmasha]

2- Counts-As is where you take something that is not the real deal and pretend that it is.

Lets say you like Asmodai's rules, so you create Interrogator-Chaplain Ramsis of the GotC and then use Asmodai's rules to represent your character. 

 

Cheers,

Jono

[Darkn3ssF4lls]

Wont let me post images after that one for some reason :/

Terminator:

http://bolterandchainsword.com/tsms.php?hdt=121111&hdm=5C0E0E&hdl=121111&ey=000000&er=383434&pi=383434&nk=383434&cht=383434&ch=383434&abs=383434&bt=383434&btd=E1D4C0&cod=383434&ull=383434&lk=383434&lll=383434&lft=383434&url=383434&rk=383434&lrl=383434&rft=383434&sl=383434&sli=383434&sr=383434&sri=383434&ula=383434&lel=383434&lla=383434&lh=5C0E0E&ura=383434&rel=383434&rla=383434&rh=5C0E0E&eg=5C0E0E&sk=E1D4C0&rta=383434&lta=383434&lhd=383434&rhd=383434&ct=5C0E0E&cts=E1D4C0&camh=383434&camb=383434&cams=383434&caml=000CFA&brc=5C0E0E&rb=383434&gr=0D0C0C&bg=FFFFFF&

So i saw this tool here, and started playing around with it. I think this looks pretty accurate to what you guy's have been showing me for paint schemes.

[Bryan Blaire]

Not really sure what you mean by "has access to Deathwing". He can command them, sure, but I'm not sure what else you might mean with that.

 

Inner Circle does not mean that he's First Company though.

 

As far as "Why can't Ezekiel have Terminator Armor", because he wears artificer armor. There are places where either would be useful. It was a design decision more than anything and that's basically the way it's always been.

[Darkn3ssF4lls]

Not really sure what you mean by "has access to Deathwing". He can command them, sure, but I'm not sure what else you might mean with that.

 

Inner Circle does not mean that he's First Company though.

 

As far as "Why can't Ezekiel have Terminator Armor", because he wears artificer armor. There are places where either would be useful. It was a design decision more than anything and that's basically the way it's always been.

 

Ah ok, 

 

The way i had read it the IC pass up through 1st Company, so your saying he didn't pass up that way ?

[Bryan Blaire]

Huh? You aren't a member of something you aren't a member of any more. Ezekiel isn't 1st Company any more, and I don't know that he ever was. The old fluff said some conflicting things (IIRC, in 3rd, all Librarians became Deathwing automatically, in 4th, straight to Inner Circle).

 

That doesn't have anything to do with what he does or can wear though, or what color his armor is.

[Darkn3ssF4lls]

Not sure where the miss communication is happening, you seem angry, i apologize. This was cleared up in the Ezekiel thread. 

[Bryan Blaire]

Don't apologize, not angry.

[Grotsmasha]

In game terms the designers chose to give them Art. Armour, as typically it works better for joining squads and such. In fluff terms there is precedent for Ezekial and Asmodai wearing TDA (in Master of Sanctity if I recall correctly).

 

Cheers,

Jono

[Darkn3ssF4lls]

In game terms the designers chose to give them Art. Armour, as typically it works better for joining squads and such. In fluff terms there is precedent for Ezekial and Asmodai wearing TDA (in Master of Sanctity if I recall correctly).

 

Cheers,

Jono

 

This makes sense, just thought it was weird to have a random color guy in your army haha. 

 

The other question I have is on the Forge World dreadnaught, Contemptor Mortis for example. My understanding as these are pre-heresy models, but would they have been split between the successors and repainted ? or would they have been allowed to keep their paint job? or would they have not been forced to be split?

[Grotsmasha]

Most likely, the Legion Armoury would've been split evenly amongst the 2nd Founding Chapters. After that, it's anyone's guess as to whether or not Contemptors would've been passed on to subsequent Foundings. I'm inclinded to say that they have. As to repainting their armour, yes, they would repaint their armour to match their current Chapter.

 

Cheers,

Jono

[Bryan Blaire]

Also, he's not a "random color guy" in the army, the blue color is the designation color for a librarian, just like the black armor is the designation color of the chaplain. Even in Terminator armor operating with the Deathwing, a Chaplain will have black armor and a Librarian will have blue armor. A Techmarine will always be red in the same fashion. It's just the heraldry designated color for those specialties.

 

Even those in the Deathwing and Inner Circle wear the colors of their specialities, regardless of what type of armor they are in.

 

Unless you don't want them to in your army, because it is your army, no one can specifically tell you how to paint it. Some people prefer their librarians to use the white/bone white armor, with blue robes, and some people still prefer the old 2nd Edition look with some or all white armor for those that are/have progressed beyond the Deathwing company. All of that would be entirely your choice on what to do.

[Darkn3ssF4lls]

Awesome, if the lore says they are blue I will not judge. :)

 

Excellent news on the Contemptor Mortis' now to save up the money to buy them :/ pounds are so much dollars lol

[Disciple of Caliban Sgt]

For the sword of secrets bit there was a small comment in the 4th ed codex I think that stated the obsidian stone or whatever piece made the sword of secrets so great was broken into small bits and each successor was given a small amount to add to their Company Master had a equivalent Sword of Secrets. Sorry for the pretty much useless bit of info but I figure it's good gee whiz stuff.