Captain Idaho Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 It's a fortunate character that I think despite any wording issues, just about nobody will prevent you playing RAI so I think it's safe to suggest stuff tactically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reichfaust Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 It's a fortunate character that I think despite any wording issues, just about nobody will prevent you playing RAI so I think it's safe to suggest stuff tactically. ...And if they are 'that guy', they're asking for a precision shot from my palm the back of their big stupid head! I have a 1.85k tourney coming up and while I was originally going to take a pure Space Wolves list I might just bolster it with a Vindicare to give me some long-ranged fire support. Would also be a great opportunity to see how the assassin functions against a variety of races/opponents in 7th edition. I'll be sure to share my findings :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 While I admit there's some merit in this line of thinking, I could say "don't bother shooting Plasma at Terminators, a few good Invuln saves and your Plasma has done nothing all game". Sure. If you can only make a single Plasma shot each turn. If the Vindicare had a higher RoF, LoS wouldn't be as much of an issue. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedes Nex Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I'm going to use the formation with all the assassins, because of this picture: http://images.stopgame.ru/uploads/images/312788/form/1397860196.jpg But realistically the best Assassin is the Culexus against any army that contains psykers, nearly an auto-take against those armies and still decent as long as you have your own psykers to boost him and he has that pseudo-Invisibility. Barring that, the Vindicare looks a lot better despite the few nerfs he received and 7E's overall explosion nerf. He got a lot of buffs to compensate, mainly the 72" range. If I were inclined to always auto-take an assassin, it'd be Vindicare for TAC and Culexus against psykers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Angel Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I really dont see psychic as being huge in 40K anymore, even before the Culexus turned up. With psychic powers now you seem to have only 2 choices either go all out or hardly bother. Marines, Eldar, Tau, Necrons can all run strong armies without any psychic footprint. Nova was won by an eldar army with a Autarch! The Culexus is going to be good against Grey Knights, some Demon/Chaos lists, and the odd marine list with Tiggy/Loth. Otherwise the Culexus will have limited use whereas the Vindicare will always have a use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Actually the culexus is still a beast in melee easily a match for most squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickeh Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Ditto, the Culexus is still exceptionally good against TEQ, MEQ and reasonably good against MC's, given the instant death and ignores armour. Even if the enemy has no psykers she's still pretty beastly against a wide variety of opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 So far I am trying the following: A Callidus in my Death Company list. Her job is to tie up something important until the Death Company arrive. A Vindicare in my light mech list. His job is to simply be a nuisance and take out priority targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I was able to play a couple of games this weekend with a vindicare on the table. Once as an ally with my partner and once against me. When it was an ally I know he killed one sergeant but I don't remember if it did anything else. When it was against me, it killed a melta girl one turn one, failed to wound my canoness with the turbo round in turn two and then wounded the canoness with the hellfire round in turn three but she saved with the rosarius. By that time my remaining exorcist had no other targets and fire on the assassin. One missile got through the saves but that was enough to ID him. Maybe other people have been having better luck but so far I'm not seeing much. Too few shots and there is always a good chance to avoid it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 As I've said, Lo,S! really hurts the Vindicare. One shot per turn, and potentially a 50% chance to force him to waste a shot taking out a grunt instead of the Psyker/Heavy Weapon/Fist. /meh Vastly downpowered from his old incarnation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Actually if you're not targeting an independent character you're actually getting a good chance of the LO, S! failing as he imposes a minus 2 to rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Still a 1/6 chance of making your single shot worthless. Not really a deal with a high RoF, but with his single shot, it's a harsh nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 It's so not. That's the same logic people use to say the Burning Blade is too dangerous to use because it's got a 1/6 chance of a S4 hit AP2. It's not a big deal. Once in a while it might annoy you but it doesn't make the Vindicare poor on it's own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 The Lo,S is nothing. Two of his ammo types only wound on a 4+ and the third one is canceled at the same ratio by an iron halo. Subtlety is going to be his key. He will never have the character killing impact the other assassins can cause but he will be able to pop synergies at range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 But isn't his greatest strength removing special weapon squad members, who likely won't have an inv save? There is worst things then killing off the lascannon packing marine in a Tac Squad each turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 The vindi's primary job for me will be skimmer hunting and manning a quadgun. Str 10 ignores cover should pop any transport, and has a decent chan I e against even a landraider. And a bs8 ignores cover quad will get junk done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 It's not a big deal. Difference in price between an Upgrade and a Vindicare. ;) You sink 140 odd points into a Mini, you want that mini to do it's job. Not be *unable* to snipe out the dangerous IC because a mook takes the shot 50% of the time. The Lo,S is nothing. Two of his ammo types only wound on a 4+ and the third one is canceled at the same ratio by an iron halo. And the Lo,S! 50% negation is on top of that. It's an extra reduction to his single shot high payoff role that frankly was not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 He should be able to hit independent characters with his shooting but other characters are still going to die most often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Have him man a punisher cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 The vindi's primary job for me will be skimmer hunting and manning a quadgun. Str 10 ignores cover should pop any transport, and has a decent chan I e against even a landraider. And a bs8 ignores cover quad will get junk done. It's like a stationary and expensive Sicaran :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Have him man a punisher cannon. I don't believe you can manually fire either the Vengeance Battery or Firestorm Redoubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I'm unsure to having only glanced at them its pretty silly in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 It's logical the power levels between the Assassins is different compared to the Vindicare. He can affect the game from turn one whilst the others simply can't without an opponent being very brash. Exception being the Callidus which is hideous at disrupting gun lines but then is pretty average in combat when you consider she's only S4. Marines will despise her as will gun lines but that's the meta changes I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Culexes gets Infiltrate and can mess things up from turn 1 as well. The Eversor is again a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 The Eversor is again a waste. Turning this around, how would you best use an Eversor if you had to take one? Oddly enough, I see it being very useful in a counter assault role for a gun line army. It should be able to kill or at least tarpit most fast moving assault threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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