alpro Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 So I've picked up a copy of CoF but haven't really looked at it but I was wondering if you could take the relics from that book whilst using the space wolves unleased detachment!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295772-using-champions-of-fenrisian-relics/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 No. RAW you have to use the COF detachment to use their relics and warlord traits and I am fairly sure that this is also intended. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295772-using-champions-of-fenrisian-relics/#findComment-3788886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonSTeR Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Following on from that, could you use a CoF detachment as allies to a main detachment using the standard SW rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295772-using-champions-of-fenrisian-relics/#findComment-3788916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Following on from that, could you use a CoF detachment as allies to a main detachment using the standard SW rules? As far as I know you can ally CoF with the core codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295772-using-champions-of-fenrisian-relics/#findComment-3788934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Well, you can also put them on the Rune Priest in Grimnar's war council, but yeah, apart from that one exception, in order to take a relic from Champions of Fenris, a model must be of The Company of the Great Wolf. To clarify, that also means an allied Detachment of Space Wolves gets the normal space Wolf relics (Not a big deal, really- both have 1 standout relic, a few decent ones, and one or two overpriced pieces of junk). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295772-using-champions-of-fenrisian-relics/#findComment-3788947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpro Posted August 24, 2014 Author Share Posted August 24, 2014 Yeah I think so however I'm going to an event in September and they are only allowing one cad so it's a tough choice at the min and the current list I'm running has three reserves!! If I go for the wolves unleased I'm guaranteed a unit in a turn but I can't access the cool relics. Is the ap2 sword worth losing auto reserves, I'm not sure yet!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295772-using-champions-of-fenrisian-relics/#findComment-3788948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Space Wolves Unleashed and Company of the Great Wolf are not Combined Arms Detachments. Ask your TO, but if he requires a CAD, you can't really use Space Wolves Unleashed. See the bit on how to make a battle forged army at the top of the board. If all this is news to your TO... Well, If a TO has not, pardon my Fenrisian, RTFR... He really shouldn't be ajudicating rules at a tournament. I'm not criticizing anyone here for misunderstanding how Battleforged works. However if a TO hasn't read the book cover to cover and gone online to get any questions answered months ago, they aren't doing their job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295772-using-champions-of-fenrisian-relics/#findComment-3788968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spazmonkey Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 No. RAW you have to use the COF detachment to use their relics and warlord traits and I am fairly sure that this is also intended. I don't doubt you, but can you reference the RAW. I have a feeling this will come up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295772-using-champions-of-fenrisian-relics/#findComment-3789055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Following on from that, could you use a CoF detachment as allies to a main detachment using the standard SW rules? Definitely check out the thread pinned to the top of the forum on how to create a Battleforged army. That should clear up your confusion. No. RAW you have to use the COF detachment to use their relics and warlord traits and I am fairly sure that this is also intended. I don't doubt you, but can you reference the RAW. I have a feeling this will come up. Page 156 of the ePub version of the Champions os Fenris: "Any character that is part of a Detachment or Formation presented in this book that can select Relics of the Fang cannot select from those listed in Codex: Space Wolves, but can instead select from Relics of the Great Wolf..." Note that Relics of the Fang are distinct from Relics of the Great Wolf. Certain characters from Codex: Space Wolves have access to the Relics of the Fang, but they do not get access to Relics of the Great Wolf unless they are a part of a Detachment or Formation presented in the CoF supplement. Warlord Traits, however, can be generated from either the CoF supplement, or the base SW codex, page 157 of the ePub: "When generating his Warlord Traits, a Space Wolves Warlord may choose to roll on the following table instead of those found in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules or Codex: Space Wolves." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295772-using-champions-of-fenrisian-relics/#findComment-3789098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spazmonkey Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Perfect thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295772-using-champions-of-fenrisian-relics/#findComment-3789116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 You can 'ally', but beware, an 'allied detachment' and a 'COF detachment' are different things. An allied detachment requires 1 HQ and 1 Troops, COF is 1 HQ and 2 Elite. If you want a CAD or WUD and a COF detachment (or all 3), you need to run several 'full' detachments, one of which is your primary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295772-using-champions-of-fenrisian-relics/#findComment-3789221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 You can 'ally', but beware, an 'allied detachment' and a 'COF detachment' are different things. An allied detachment requires 1 HQ and 1 Troops, COF is 1 HQ and 2 Elite. If you want a CAD or WUD and a COF detachment (or all 3), you need to run several 'full' detachments, one of which is your primary. Furthermore, you cannot ally with 'yourself" (i.e. an Allied Detachment has to be from a different Faction than your Primary Detachment). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295772-using-champions-of-fenrisian-relics/#findComment-3789766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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